Ey up Kiz!

Thing is: you hit the nail on the head: it was supposition. He claims he was telling the truth by saying he did not call him a pleb, the copper says he did.

Very childish game of ''He said/she said" over something that has never been proven.

It's called offereing comparisons - and it's relevant given your overall consensus of the 'attitude' to the police in general - as per the post I quoted you on earlier.

I'm happy to have offered comparisions that have shown how inept the police can be that have been spotlighted in recent weeks.

What can you show to back up your claim that Mr Mitchell was inept at this job?

This whole issue is an example of his ineptitude, the role of chief whip is to ensure standards are maintained. That MP's behave in a manner fitting of their status and conduct themselves in public with dignity. Making sure they don't compromise themselves by receiving negative press that brings both them and their party into disrepute...
Nevermind the 'yes but what about' I am discussing this issue on this thread as it is the topic offered by the OP.
If we start flying off on a tangent where will it end?....

You brought into play the generalisation of the attitudes overall towards the police - I addressed what you brought into the discussion yourself.


What was an example of his ineptitude of his working role? That he was human, had a slight altercation with an equally feisty and equally vocal policeman? I'd regard that as him being human rather than some robot.

I commented on how this impacts on public perception of the police, nothing else.
Equally feisty and vocal police officer? He was doing his job, following procedures.
If Mr Mitchell had allowed him to do this and kept a civil tongue in his head he would not be clearing out his desk would he?
What are you trying to say pyra... we are all human but some are more human than others?

Since when was it a police officer's duty to threaten a member of the public with "I'll have your job for this". They are there to protect - not threaten them on a personal level. Yes, that's an extreme version of 'threatening' but it was still a threat nontheless. Since when was that police procedures?


That's precisely what I am saying.

if you don't believe that: you only have to look at some of the unbelievable horrors and levels of abuse of all nature: that some 'humans' inflict on others.

Both of these persons hurtled some form of verbal abuse to each other: why is one commended for his action, when the other subject to even more abuse? One rule for one person working for the good of the public, being paid for out of the public coffers: and one rule for another person working for the good of the public, being paid for out of the public coffers.

Is there any evidence to support this alleged retort to Mr Mitchells rant?
It seems that the officer even in his shock and embarrassment following the outburst knew that this was not the way in which such a high level public servant should behave?

Officer arrested over Andrew Mitchell 'pleb' leak
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20751703

So ..... it wasn't the official police log, the contents are false and the arrested officer had nothing to do with the incident ..... :conf:

Yes now its a real police stink
as that officer who said he was watching the MP Plebbing etc
was no place near that.

This is about Police Unions

Is this an attempt by the political elites to cause confusion and suspicion re the testimony of the Police officers so that Andrew Mitchell's testimony gains more credence. Is this trying to sow more doubt on the side of the police and in turn boost the credibility of the MP. It could be that at some point a cabinet reshuffle will allow Mr Mitchell to return to front bench politics with his name not entirely besmirched.

Met police chief warns over 'pleb' case arrest
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20766497


There seem to be at least FOUR sides to this story ..... :rolleyes:

The police don't have a union...

They Do
but call it other names.


Did he say Pleb?
or is this Police Falsehood


Also now we have see the Footage
on Ch4News, there was no public watching it.


This Stinks

So an MP, no matter how liked or disliked he may have been, has had to lose the position he so far attained in his political career because of confusion as to the reporting of the incident and what now seems some very unconvincing account relating to it too.

It would seem the Police have a lot of answers to look for on this one,I guess now the best Mr Mitchell can hope for is an apology from them too.
To a lot of people this incident seems like a storm in a teacup,but at its heart is the issue of integrity and even on the Police side, there seems on the face of this new cctv footage,that a great deal of invention as to what really happened has taken place.
That is worrying.

maybe it's just the police closing ranks and stitching someone up,they aren't ALL lily white.

http://www.channel4.com/news/andrew-...downing-street

Seems to back up Mitchell's story and damn certain police officers ..... :idc:

But why has it taken so long to surface ...... :conf:

the policeman lied and his account was false yet it was used as evidence against the mp. surely thats plain and simple corruption by every copper involved. if thats the case, heads should roll.

No arista they don't.
This changes nothing as to the original exchange between Mitchell and the officers at the scene.

Man arrested in 'plebgate' probe
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20795489

Curiouser and curiouser ..... :idc: