Originally Posted by the truth (Post 5930812)

whats new? the elitists in london have never given a damn about the masses....except on election week....the vast majority of british prime ministers have actually all come from the same class in eton....does anyone bellieve the UK is a real democracy? its a constitutional monarchy, class, insider dealing for the chosen few and in breeding is all that counts. how do you think these clowns end up with 100s of millions of pounds? hard work lol

The fact is the unions failed but thatcher went from one extreme to another and failed even worse. she wasnt even capable of having a conversation or an analysis to work out which pits were most economic. she didnt even look to prvatise them, which for her us surprising.

all she had to do in 1979 was lower taxes and yes privatise a companies.
instead she privatised nearly all the wrong things, put taxes up on small businesses and the working man/woman

to be frank, I think she was the single worst leader we have ever had.....she had a 10/15 year boom , but now were bust

people ask why didnt anyone turn it around? how she destroyed manufacturing base and drowned the mines. we have barely any industry left. meanwhile the germans as always seemed to build astronger more balanced economy where public and private worked together to keep industries strong

thatcher was an idiotic and selfish mean spirited pm

the total lie she was somehow for the aspiring small businessman (somehow her dad being a greengrocer was endlessly used as a reason for us to believe she was a supporter of the little man- LIES) is disproved by

- more than doubling vat
- rasing fuel prices and tax on fuel prices every year
-scrapping apprenticeships
-removing any incentive to employ
-increased regulation on small business
-increased national insurance
-raised taxes on the poor
-fuel pverty thanks to her creating utilies monopolies. energy/water/pricaes have gone up by over 1000% in real terms since thatcher came into power. how many have frozen to death, tens of thousands.

oh but wait she let people buy their homes? to buy your home you had to give up any housing benefit allowance....were these people really better off? oh and spening on social housing fell 68% under thatcher... meanwhile she deregulated the corporations, gave less support to agriculture and allowed the supermarkets to collude and fix prices

meanwhile the majority of steel works and industrial plants she did close, yes and some were very profitable, she dismantled brick by brick and reassembled in africa , where workers were paid peanuts and the tories sat on the board as shareholders.

meanwhile her son was an arms dealer

terrific people eh?

thatcher enslaved us to corporate greed. our exports collapsed. all the things she said like dont spend what you dont have etc she did the OPPOSITE. UK has over £1 trillion public debts but $9 trillion total debts (thats $144,000 each) were at war because we cant afford not to be...did she ever hear of dont put all your eggs in one basket? well she did....all finance and servives, no industry, no productivity, no exports....and she didnt see it coming? everyone else with a brain did

her plan was a small and spiteful plan scribbled on the back of a postage stamp.
the fact she wouldnt collaborate with anyone, she wouldnt find common ground, she wouldnt listen, compromise or reach agreements with people with shared interests , meant in the end she was the rich mans puppet. nothing more. somehow her idiotic negotiation skills are lauded as great and even amusing. in reality its bone headed. she didnt work in union with anyone unless then 100% cowtowed to her every demand. she didnt have the patience or empathy for any subtlety or nuance. her long term plan for the UK is a disaster

heseltine did one thing right when he got her booted out....mind you he was just as guilty about selling off the crown jewels

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 5931649)

''meanwhile the majority of steel works and industrial plants she did close, yes and some were very profitable, she dismantled brick by brick and reassembled in africa , where workers were paid peanuts and the tories sat on the board as shareholders.''

This was the real reason for privatisation, take industry and public utilities and split them into nice little earners for other tories.
then watch all the lovely kickbacks come rolling in.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 5932240)

Just a thought, all the people that are outraged at the expense of Mrs Thatchers funeral should probably think about the vast amount of money being spent to protect property and generally police it ,it will probably cost more than the funeral itself,but you can bet the 'cost' wont bother them as long as they are getting their rocks off trying to prove what? they didn't like her or agree with her policies,well we all know that already ,but it doesn't stop them getting their 15 mins of fame.Do they think about THAT money that will be used to keep them in order?bet they don't.[/Q

I'm pretty sure the 10 million price tag includes security Kazanne, I feel her funeral will be a target for every and anyone who feels the need to protest on the day, which to me makes the decision to hold such a public displayf or such a divisive ex leader all the more ridiculous, a misuse of the police and public funds.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 5932308)

Well as maggie herself said there is no such thing as free money, it's public money.
Taxpayers money...
So seeing as the public paid for this shindig is it not right and fair they are invited?
I see the spin that it is only the 'loony lefties' or 'phillpots' that are opposed to this, But wait... on the front pages of the papers, teachers and policemen too!
So called 'strivers' ... What on earth can their grievance be?

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 5932311)

Nothing wrong with popping along Kizzy,but do you really think people need to vent their anger so angrily by destroying property etc,I cant see what any of it will achieve?:hugesmile:have to say this has been a great thread.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 5933112)

Who said you could borrow my crystal ball?.. ;)
It hasn't happened yet, who knows if there will be any destruction of property, I am in the hope there may be a peaceful protest, but who can say?
People have already been forced out of their jobs for voicing their opinion, Kim Jong Un would be proud of the way we silence critics of fascistic regimes here....

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 5933186)

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5935315)

Have no real problem with it tbh, she was the PM who had the biggest impact on our country since Churchill and I have nothing against acknowledging that fact, she is by no means the first to receive a taxpayer funded funeral and she won't be the last