you seem to be trying to justify the unjustifiable , that is to wrongly accuses someone of being a transphobic with no evidence. even accounting for the difficulties she may have suffered, lauren was way out of order here. you just cant go around calling people bigots with no evidence

FGS :joker:

If people believe she was out of order then they are perfectly entitled to do so it doesn't matter what you have explained.

Lauren only accused Ron after he mentioned they should put her up for nomination, if she was getting vibes of him being transphobic she would have mentioned before that, regardless of her being transgender it still doesn't give her a right to go around accusing people of that without anything to back it up.

Well...I have...in two posts. And it's a perfectly valid point I've raised too, I've not seen anyone disagree with it?

If you have experienced a decade of rejection as a result of people's transphobia, if somebody new comes along and gives off the impression or says that they don't like you, you are going to naturally assume it's because of the reason the majority of people have given in the past. That's just natural, a bit like if someone had been bullied for a psychical attribute they'd then assume that people in future that didn't like them were judging them on that. It's just a natural assumption because it's practically been conditioned into your mind.

I think that's bull**** tbh ^^

Thats a very disturbing post which is borderline inverted bigotry. No you should not assume bigotry nor accuse people of bigotry without solid evidence, which she clearly hasn't got. she should be asked to justify her accusation to big brother or apologise or leave.

Well it's not :shrug:

I'm pretty sure people like Katie Piper may fear or get the impression that people don't like her/them because of their appearance. I'm sorry but if you are bullied for a specific thing it will stick in your mind and you'll automatically assume everyone is going to dislike you for the same reason.

If someone who hasn't experienced bullying found someone that disliked them they'd wonder and perhaps ask why, 'well is it my personality?'...'my work ethic?'...'the way I look?'...'what is it?', but if you've been disliked for the best part of your life for one particular reason, it's entirely understandable you would assume people dislike you for the same reason. I'm sorry but that's just a natural assumption to make given the circumstances.

Give me a ****ing break Jack, people need to take responsibility for themselves no matter what their background, you can't go through life hiding behind the "I've had a tough life routine" What she said about Ron could cause massive problems for him if people latched on to it. That's a very unfair thing to do to someone without having any valid reason for doing so

Katie Piper, How on earth is she relevant to the discussion?
The term transphobia is not a one size fits all accusation... Ron as far as we know has done nothing to warrant being described as such.

I think it is absolutely ridiculous to assume that just because someone dislikes a transgendered person, its because they are transphobic. Its utterly backwards thinking IMO. So everyone is required to like anyone who could be considered 'different' incase they are accused of not liking them BECAUSE they are different. Positive discrimination at its best.

They seem to know that Lauren & Sophie have not hit it off but Lauren has not accused Sophie of been transphobic (i dont think so anyway) but she accuses Ron of it after he said he would nominate her for been untidy & lazy. I think Lauren made that remark because she assumed after Ron's remarks in the past he would have a problem with her. Ron nominating her allowed Lauren to voice her assumption.

Exactly.

Arent we all a little transphobic/racist ect?

Im sure we have all had a non malicious joke about gay people, black people and trans people.

I know I have.

Rin is just a normal guy and it must be strange for him to be living with Louie and Lauren to be honest.

Lauren is known for slating people on BOTS anyway so shes the same.

I would never hate on someone for their sexuality, gender, race but **** it we all judge inside.

I don't like Lauren, and I totally agree with the OP and with Vicky's post here. I actually do feel a little sorry for her, she's obviously really messed up and full of issues. But I still don't like her.

I'd also like to point out she said 'he MIGHT be transphobic' not that he definitely is, which makes her natural assumption even more reasonable. I'm not saying it's a totally fair thing for her to say, I'm saying I can understand why she would assume that and how it's reasonable. There's a difference. And I also agree with MM&I that BB probably forced it out of her by getting her to elaborate, they do that all the time.

Also before somebody accuses me of being a bigot and not giving Ron a chance (:rolleyes: seriously getting on my nerves), I had no idea who he was before he went in and like every celebrity, I always start them on a clean slate and judge them based upon what they do in the house...if George Shelley went in for example and was a dullard I'd want him out just as I normally do. I heard about the n word incident a week ago, and as I usually am with these kind of things...I believe in giving people second chances and not giving them a label for the entire life. So I was willing to be open minded and I was, he seemed inoffensive but a total bore and that hasn't changed. However that comment that he was warned for was questionable IMO and I'm afraid I do worry what kind of views he has locked up in his mind that he's confessed he's 'keeping a lid on', and I worry actually for his sake that perhaps he should leave before he ends up tarnishing his career further. The way he acted with Dustin last night was so unnecessarily rude and arrogant that it's only furthered my suspicions, and his 'we invented a language so use it' was on the cusp of being xenophobic. Now you add this to his apparent want to see Lauren face eviction to gauge public opinion (a fair but unusual reason) and I'm afraid I'm now like I said starting to worry about what he's thinking. This has nothing to do with me as I was willing to give him a chance, it's his own doing.

I don't dislike the man, I just think he's a dullard and needs to leave before he says something worse and cements the end of his career.

It explains her behaviour, but it doesn't make it right. Not at all. It's still a terrible thing to be doing and something she needs to learn.

I agree with this and have never said I don't. If somebody doesn't like a transgender, it's not fair to assume it's because of who they are...on that I agree. What I'm saying is people need to see this from Lauren's perspective who is transgender and will naturally assume that the reason people dislike her is because they are potentially transphobic, and that is because of the discrimination and rejection she'll have received for that very reason and (mostly) that reason alone. People need to put themselves into her mindset having experienced what she will have and if for a decade people haven't liked her because she's transgender, if someone new doesn't like her...then she's going to assume it's for the same reason. It will be conditioned to her mind.

That doesn't make it right I'll agree on that, but it makes it understandable. And more reasonable than if you or I were to accuse someone of it as your post is about.

Well okay, on that I can agree. She needs to learn it yes but it's going to be difficult for her when it's all she knows.

That's all I'm trying to get people to understand...her mindset and how it will have been conditioned due to her experiences.

So basically you just don't like the guy?
On the cusp of being xenophobic? Once again there is no such thing, you either are or you are not... It's unfair to imply these things with little or no evidence.

Um...because I was making a point that if you have a personal defect that affects you deeply and makes you insecure and people have mocked you for it, you're going to assume naturally in future that if someone doesn't like you it's because of that reason. Which is akin to Lauren experiencing rejection for being transgender.

If a child is bullied for one specific thing for three years, they'll assume people will dislike them for it in the future. That's just natural.

Did you even read the post itself or did you just see her name and decide to write that post?

so isn't that allowing people to discriminate because they've been conditioned by their experiences? that therefore would condone racism and discrimination as an inevitable by product of a persons ....lauren like all people must take responsibility for their own actions.

Jack seems to be Heterosexist!

I think its a tad arrogant to make yourself into the Uk spokesman for all gays,transgenders that go in BB ,as we have all seen over the years people who just dont happen to like a housemate because they are a pratt ,and if that pratt just happens to be gay !! Jesus wept ,you get every name under the sun thrown your way ,same if they are black or in my case American ,when I dont genuinely like a person I can assure you its not because of their colour,origin of birth, or sexuality ,its because they are a pratt ....accept ,arrogance is an awful trait and you get nowhere in life if you think everything you say is right and everyone else is wrong

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Of course I read the whole post jack no need to be rude as I don't agree with you, nobody in the whole thread can see a point to your fuzzy logic on this issue.
You cannot paint all victims of bullying or crime with the same brush and assume they all react in a similar mindset in social situations, it makes no sense.

I agree I also think jack is heterosexist as he is making deep rooted bigoted assumptions about heterosexuals with no evidence. Its deeply disturbing. He is not the only one on here either and Im glad this has been exposed.