i dont like Jim but im fine with people wanting to support him as a HM. i just cant.
can say the same for the Luisa haters on here as well or anyone in a series that gets a lot of air time. even the smallest of things to nit pick.

he's such a two faced lying man, is there support for him honestly??? he is horrid, i mean he knew about lee and jasmine in that toilet no doubt about it, but to casey he didn't say nothing or warn her, he plays one game with one person and later on he tells the other person the complete opposite, he's so two faced and grumpy it's untrue, i hope he leaves

in his defense there though maybe he didn't want to be the one to hurt her feelings or maybe he just wanted no involvement in the triangle saga?

I didn't want to comment on this thread because I do understand the total opposites as to opinions there are as to Jim and aI have said a fair bit already as to him.
I feel however I want to answer for my part as to Jim and the sort of question put as to why I don't mind being seen as supporting him so far in the house and voting to keep him in.

I do believe that people can change and need to be given the chance to change, if they do set out to change their behaviour then I give some credit to that.
I cannot say I liked Jim Davidson that much before he went in the house, I like some of his comedy and am not keen on most of it.
I had to make a conscious effort as I do with near all housemates, to judge him solely on what he is like as a housemate.

This thread title really ought to read he 'was' a wife beater.I haven't heard of any more incidents as to the one reported a good while ago now.
I have read bits about that period of his life and of course totally deplore what he did,I doubt anyone would not.
However, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors with lots of people, we could in ignorance of having no knowledge, be praising people and celebs who are really as bad or even worse than Jim was.

He is in a new marriage now, he seems happy enough as does his current family do too. He sought help for his problems and maybe they have succeeded.
True, he is grumpy, that isn't in itself a crime, he doesn't like some people so makes put down comments as to them, that is not a crime either.
I don't like Cheryl Cole for example,I have my direct reasons for that and if around her, I would be far from pleasant as to her or about her, every chance I get I would make a put down comment as to her,does that make me a bad and grumpy person, not eligible to be liked.
I would say it didn't in any way.
While in a CBB house,if she ever were to go in,I would initially see how she acted there.

Jim is,in my view, being himself in the house, it may well be he has learned to control the nastier elements as to getting physical with anyone but like all of them he has the right to be disgruntled and miserable if he so wishes with those and the things that go on in the house.I likely would too.
The most miserable in there is Linda,I don't like her because she went in there,in my opinion, with an agenda if Jim was in the house too, to provoke him.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt but she showed her true colours, by 'not' taking Jim aside to say he had upset her and then saying so to the other women in there and allowing him to be pulled up in front of them, for me that showed her nasty, devious and vindictive side.
She was first to do that, not him.
I also think had Jim not been there she would have had to get at someone else too to play the victim as her Sister did near all her series.

As a housemate,(while never condoning in any way any past rotten behaviour), I have found Jim to be entertaining.
Far more than most and certainly better than the boring,epic running nonsense of the love triangle.
So as a housemate, he has made me warm to him,far from my own thoughts as to him before he went in.
I have seen little from him that he has done that is really bad in the house at all.
That is what I am judging him on now and that is what I try to do all the time.

Such as,I had a dread of Frankie Cocoza going in the house after his reputation on X factor and other things outside the house.
Again with him,I found him to be a really good housemate too as I find Jim to be.

If we believe people are incapable of change, then there would be little point in anyone trying to change.
The Kitchen show has been mentioned, on that, Jim certainly could not control his temper or hold back on his tongue when he needed to as well.
His time in the BB house is a big contrast to that show and as to his control of his temper etc;.
I give him credit for that and that is why I will vote to keep him in, why I am enjoying most of his actions as a housemate and even why I wouldn't begrudge him winning it either.

He isn't someone I would likely get along with myself but I don't need to, I am watching a show and he isn't doing any great wrong in it.
I said this elsewhere, he has had allegations made against him for over a year now and those serious allegations have been dropped and there is, it is reported, no action going to be taken.
Things like that can make you think and change and reflect on your life,it may well be he is using this BB as a way to try to mend some of his bad reputation and from all that has been seen so far, other than his grumpiness,I have to say the temper and really vile insults have not been apparant at all.
For that too, I give him credit as to his time in CBB.
At any rate 'so far'.

..it wasn't a slap though, not even close to being a slap, and I also would applaud anyone who had done something similar but then reassessed their lives/behaviour and shown a change but even after many years, he showed no change in another reality TV show and so far for me, he hasn't shown that he has changed in the BB house..I'm sure that others will see anything he does differently to how I do but then I guess that we all look for different things in the housemates we support and have different reasons for supporting them etc...

Great post,NONE of us are perfect,it's easy to sit here pontificating on someones past and how people should behave,people in glass houses and all that,WE don't know.WE weren't there,its done its past,so why are people still bringing it up and STILL nothing said about Jasmine and Sams violent past,WHY?,Jims ex wifes new partner also threatened to have him knee capped and killed !!! so it seems Jim probably wasn't the only violent one she hooked up to.

the best hm

..yeah, none of us are perfect and everyone has flaws but some flaws are more extreme than others...and it's perfectly natural to discuss it, in the same way that other celebrities are discussed and any opinions about them...as people have said...how can Lee and Jasmine have feelings for each other in such a short time or Casey have felt the way she did etc...it's only been a week or so of Jim being in the house and it just isn't enough time for many people to have changed their opinion of him or to see him as a 'changed person'...some people are seeing something positive in him, and that's cool but not everyone is...

I didn't know he was a wife beater, thats changed my opinion of him

Hope your ready to change you mind about Jasmine and Sam aswell then:hugesmile: both have been violent .

I like him. He's a great housemate. He seems to have changed. Everyone deserves a second chance.

got to laugh at one of his favourites being one spiedie as well, considering how violent he was.:joker:

You're probably someone who thinks white people can experience racism

And your probably someone who thinks he's a smart arse:nono:!

Dos that mean we can't have a negative view of sex offenders or murderers because we might have stole a packet of chewing gum when we were 10?

Fact of the matter is I'm disgusted at men who raise their hands to women, there is no excuse for it and I don't care how long ago it was.

Ok Kyle,that's your opinion,I have mine,you can have a negative view on anything My God I have some myself,but I think to equate it with murderers and sex offenders is way ott,you don't like him,I don't mind him so far,simple as that.

I didn't equate it to murders and sex offenders I used it to show that even though we aren't perfect like you said some things are beyond the average lay person and domestic violence is one of those things.

Woe betide the day when slapping your woman is just a generally accepted thing.

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

Murder and sex offences are on a whole different level to Jim having a scrap with the misses tbh.A little perspective i think is needed here.

Did you not read what i said about why I used those examples?

I used them to show that even though we aren't perfect we are allowed to judge people for things that are beyond what lay people commit.

Noone should raise their hand to anyone, but I struggle with the outdated sentiment that a man should never raise his hand/voice to a woman, whilst attacking Dappy for his inability to acknowledge equality. Made me chuckle during the Dappy/Luisa argument: everyone acknowledged he was wrong for saying women could not do what men do, whilst stating that a "real man" would have walked away when she stood screaming in his face.

I would think he's been dealt with by the law,so who am I to keep judging him?Why is he not allowed to try and right his mistakes?

You're right no one should raise a hand to anyone absolutely but I think it seems worse when it's a man against a woman because of the obvious physical differences, that's biological and never going to be equal, men, generally speaking are alot stronger than women and a woman would find it very difficult to defend herself against a man who was attacking her

I'll be honest here,I had a couple of fights with an ex boyfriend years ago and in that situation you just don't think,I had a shiner and he had lump on his head when I hit him with a empty milk bottle,I was mortified I had done that as I think myself as a peaceful person,but sometimes anger does strange things to people,We still bump into each other sometimes and laugh about the fact the bottle didn't break! don't see any point in holding hate for him as I was as bad.

This is my view on it. And wether never laying a hand on a woman is an outdated sentiment or not nowadays to me it is still a noble one and I am quite happy to conform to it.