no, i've known chavy scum like her throughout my life, she's very similar to an auntie i don't bother to speak too, helen is just a very selfish person in life who feels she should be entitled to everything, just look at the tantrums she throwed whenever she didn't get chosen to be at a party, she's not ****ing misunderstood.

Because they're friends with Helen, right? :pat:

I thought you were supporting Chritopher:conf:

Ahhh but what fun to see the evil one and her acolytes [sp] get a kick up the backside however it wont do anything to change the beast within her ... I put that down to a lack of emotional intelligence ...:-)

Helen is incapable of change. She is a survivor, and for short periods can hold her tongue and internalise her rage in order to avoid clearly identified punishment. Then, after an hour, her irreversibly imprinted vile self re-emerges and she once again elevates herself by pushing others down.

I don't feel sorry for Helen. Nothing to feel sorry for. She has made her choices in life and lives by it. Honesty is the best policy. She doesn't ask for anyone's pity, unlike "princess" Ashleigh

100% this...voice of reason

Amazing how many people dislike Helen for her anger and insults and they express this ...by being angry and insulting her !

Hypocrisy anyone?

It's like shouting 'I HATE PEOPLE WHO SHOUT'

:whistle: just saying..

Only the show counts:laugh:

Just saying.

eh?

The show counts but so does the opinions of the viewers - hence we are on this forum talking about it.

Are you saying none of our opinions count? If so - why are you here giving yours?

No. Just that comments on here and other sites are worth diddley in reality.

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::wors hip: Yep it's exactly the same

I really want Helen to win!

I want the Lib Dems to win:bawling:

Well in terms of BB - forums etc can make a huge difference to the outcome of the show as Winston's shock eviction showed. Plus forums are a major part of the joy of the interactive BB experience.

In terms of reality though - of course it's all diddley considering that the physical world and the concept of time are an illusion - so what chance does a BB forum have against those odds?

Still, while we are playing the game of life - it's summink to do aint it?

The only only only reason why I feel sorry for Helen is because she's smitten with Ash, but despite his protestations fancies Ashleigh.

..yeah I did feel sorry for her but I also felt sorry for Ashleigh and the other housemates that their whole time in there hasn't been what they would have all wanted and hoped for as it's been such a hostile house...it hasn't just been down to one person though and I think the trial was fair in that was recognised but that the 'verdict' could only be given to the added aggression that Helen has constantly displayed and it has been constant to almost a daily thing with her so I can't see any other verdict being given but having said that, I think the whole trial was a farce and achieved nothing because all it did was to have two groups of people supporting the person they connected to most and that would be an obvious thing for them to do..haven't they been doing that in the media anyway..?...


...what I did think last night was that Helen and Ashleigh were never going to get on so in a way 'blame' becomes less relevant because they're just both too strong minded...when Helen was crying in the loo I don't think it was because of the verdict or how she was going to be perceived in comparison to Ashleigh or not entirely anyway...I also think that they were never going to get on because Helen has a mistrust or dislike of females which is why I think her clique has mainly been the males and I think her tears came from seeing Ash and Ashleigh when Ashleigh was saying that she thought he was a nice guy and put her head on her shoulder and Helen didn't like that at all...I actually think Ash and Ashleigh could have been friends in a different house but Helen's dislike of Ashleigh or mistrust of Ashleigh has stunted this and made it awkward and less possible...you can't help but feel sorry for someone like Helen who doesn't have self awareness and was just feeling....wow, why do they all like her, even Ash..?..or something similar and she just looked 'defeated' and really quite sad....but then of course, she reacted later in the way that is intrinsic to her character and kind of 'lashed out' words of ...no one is going to get the better of me so then you just cringe and think..ughh Helen, don't...think about it....she really is kind of her own undoing and her own worst enemy but I know she can't help that either..it's a typical behaviour thing and we all have those...I hope that somehow she stops seeing people more as enemies and rivals and especially females who she seems to 'forgive' much less than males...and stops trying to catch people out for saying negative things about her and starts to look at why they're saying it...and just basically finds some positives in her life more than she has now or maybe it's not some of the public so much that can't move on from her past but herself ....

Helen comes from a well to do and educated background, so unlike many of us brought up in childrens homes I would say her life has been better than most. Anyway regardless of how your childhood, young adult life has been, it's still up to us to decide how we act and interact with each other.
Kindness and good manners costs nothing. No-one forces Helen to have a mouth like a sewer, or to belittle and isolate people, who she and her cronies consider 'uncool'.
Helen should take responsibility for how her life is and how she acts.

Lets please not lose sight of the fact that it is BB that created the divides and conflicts in the first place, encouraging them in the name of viewer entertainment. If BB had wanted, there have been numerous times that events could have taken a natural turn toward calm equilibrium, yet BB chose to heighten divisions and manipulate further conflicts.

To suggest that hm's directly caused this is not accurate, it was BB

The difference between Ashleigh and Helen:

Ashleigh pretends to be this wee helpless guiless powerless weak girlie whilst secretly being strong, shrewd and powerful.

Helen pretends to be strong, tough and invincible whilst really being weak jealous and overly emotional.

The one thing I will give Helen is her tears are real and that's why she's ashamed to cry. Ashleigh's tears are part of her helpless girlie image to keep Chris and co pandering to her.

No, I don't. Helen has shown that she feels sorry enough for herself, she needs to buck up and get herself sorted out.

I hate Helen because she is a nasty bully. I don't laugh when she is being a nasty bully, I get angry and hate her when she is being a nasty bully. There is nothing hypocritical about it. It's called having a conscience and knowing RIGHT from WRONG.

Not the best example to make the point as there was no bullying going on there. Loud and aggressive yes, but not bullying

It was 100% bullying.

If you watch the videos of the court room Helen has said she wouldn't blame Ashleigh or Chris for saying things in the diary room because Helen has done exactly the same. First time she has said the she, herself was two faced as well.

This wasn't shown in the main programme and I wonder why?

Also Christopher told of Helens many rows with Toyah, Jale, Christopher, Danielle, Matthew, Chris, Steven and Pav, this wasn't shown either.

Ashleigh hasn't had half as many rows as this.