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arista 15-10-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7324700)
ffs all this internet troll stuff is way out of control, who'd have thought there were was so many "brave" people sitting behind their computer screens :rolleyes:



yes but no one is going to Rape their Daughter



It appears this is just to get their failed daughter in the Press

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...61_308x453.jpg

Niamh. 15-10-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7324725)
LOL... I HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY! But I won't.

oh dear :laugh:

Livia 15-10-2014 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7324740)
oh dear :laugh:

Yeah, I know what you mods are like. I don't want to be locked in that cupboard again.

arista 16-10-2014 12:16 PM

Now BBC1 News just showed a clip of Judy
on ITV1HD Loose Women.

And spoke of the tweet rape threat
to her daughter


And they are on many front pages

Livia 16-10-2014 12:28 PM

So... people upset by Judy's comments about a rapist, as it's such a terrible and sensistive subject, feel perfectly justified in threatening rape against her daughter who said nothing at all about the case. And I didn't think I could hold Twitter in any more contempt than I already do.

People moan about attempts to police the Internet. It's people who abuse their right to comment who will end up being the reason for all of us being policed online.

Niamh. 16-10-2014 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7325999)
So... people upset by Judy's comments about a rapist, as it's such a terrible and sensistive subject, feel perfectly justified in threatening rape against her daughter who said nothing at all about the case. And I didn't think I could hold Twitter in any more contempt than I already do.

People moan about attempts to police the Internet. It's people who abuse their right to comment who will end up being the reason for all of us being policed online.

I know right. People are idiots

lostalex 16-10-2014 12:54 PM

i think it's more about keeping things in perspective. if someone is sending you weird things in the post(mail), or leaving things at your door step it's very serious.... but we've all said things on the internet that we regret, made extreme comments on youtube. It's important to remember the difference between the internet and real life. When it carries into real life, real letters, or real stalking that's a totally different thing. We've all said something offensive online in the heat of the moment, but someone who is obsessing about an individual and terrorizing them is different. Some of these celebrities pretend to be terrorized just because someone left a nasty comment on their youtube video or on twitter, and they are abusing the system to get more sympathy.

I'm an asshole, but i've never terrorized anyone.

Amy Jade 16-10-2014 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7326022)
i think it's more about keeping things in perspective. if someone is sending you weird things in the post(mail), or leaving things at your door step it's very serious.... but we've all said things on the internet that we regret, made extreme comments on youtube. It's important to remember the difference between the internet and real life.

I totally agree.

Threatening to rape Chloe is utterly repulsive though but do comments made in jest really warrant prosecution? I don't know.

Livia 16-10-2014 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StupidHoe (Post 7326027)
I totally agree.

Threatening to rape Chloe is utterly repulsive though but do comments made in jest really warrant prosecution? I don't know.

If the comment made in jest is threatening to rape an innocent women, then **** yeah it warrants prosecution. And these people are easier to trace than they would believe.

lostalex 16-10-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7326029)
If the comment made in jest is threatening to rape an innocent women, then **** yeah it warrants prosecution. And these people are easier to trace than they would believe.

it's not always serious though Livia, saying "i will rape you, and then you will be pregnant with my child, and then I will fist you until you have an abortion" is not a serious threat, it's just an internet comment. is it crass and disgusting? yes. now if the same person starts stalking that person, or obsesses about it that person, then sure, but treating every extreme comment as a threat is not right.

The internet is not real life. If it moves into real life, then of course the police should be involved, but most comments are just trolling and trolling should not be illegal. If trolling was illegal

I could make a case that the Entire Guardian Website is trolling! HOW MANY times did i hear comments on the Guardian that George W Bush should be water boarded, should we have treated all of those comments as "threats against the president"? everyone who has people disagreeing with them can claim that they are being
"trolled". where would you draw the line.

The police should only get involved when it becomes a REAL issue. someone who is near the person, and is directly threatened.

hyperbole is not a crime.

Amy Jade 16-10-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7326029)
If the comment made in jest is threatening to rape an innocent women, then **** yeah it warrants prosecution. And these people are easier to trace than they would believe.

Since we don't know what exactly even happened I won't even debate with you on that one :flutter:

Livia 16-10-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by StupidHoe (Post 7326033)
Since we don't know what exactly even happened I won't even debate with you on that one :flutter:

Oh right. As you'd already commented on a debate thread I thought you had something to say.

Livia 16-10-2014 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7326031)
it's not always serious though Livia, saying "i will rape you, and then you will be pregnant with my child, and then I will fist you until you have an abortion" is not a serious threat, it's just an internet comment. is it crass and disgusting? yes. now if the same person starts stalking that person, or obsesses about it that person, then sure, but treating every extreme comment as a threat is not right.

The internet is not real life. If it moves into real life, then of course the police should be involved, but most comments are just trolling and trolling should not be illegal. If trolling was illegal I could make a case that the Entire Guardian Website is trolling! everyone who has people disagreeing with them can claim that they are being
"trolled". where would you draw the line.

The police should only get involved when it becomes a REAL issue. someone who is near the person, and is directly threatened.

hyperbole is not a crime.

Whatever you say on the Internet is covered by exactly the same laws of libel and slander that cover what you would say in real life. There is no difference. The Internet is VERY real if you're on the receiving end of bullies, if someone nicks your identity and passes themself off as you, if someone threatens to rape you... Saying it doesn't count is you say it on the internet is like saying it doesn't count if you say it indoors. It's irrelevant.

lostalex 16-10-2014 01:11 PM

We should judge people on their actions, not on their words or beliefs.

Amy Jade 16-10-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7326039)
Oh right. As you'd already commented on a debate thread I thought you had something to say.

Because I can see both sides. On one hand it's horrible to threaten rape on anyone but I haven't seen the comments or their context I don't see the point in debating it.

See, if one of the 'threats' was stated in a certain way like 'If I raped your daughter lets see if you'd want me back in the public eye and forever have to suffer seeing my face' etc I'd support that comment.

But as stated, the supposed threatening comments have not been published so what's the point in debating.

lostalex 16-10-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7326042)
Whatever you say on the Internet is covered by exactly the same laws of libel and slander that cover what you would say in real life. There is no difference. The Internet is VERY real if you're on the receiving end of bullies, if someone nicks your identity and passes themself off as you, if someone threatens to rape you... Saying it doesn't count is you say it on the internet is like saying it doesn't count if you say it indoors. It's irrelevant.

well stealing someone else's identity is a crime, that's true. and making a legitimate threat is also a crime. but making a ridiculous internet comment, like "I want to stuff your pussy with so many poprocks that it makes your vagina explode", is not a serious threat, obviously that person is not going to put poprocks in your pussy. it's obviously hyperbole.

How many threats are legitimate and how many are just hyperbole? I'd say 99.9% are hyperbole. if someone was really gonna hurt someone, they wouldn't advertise it on the internet before they did it.

arista 16-10-2014 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7325999)
So... people upset by Judy's comments about a rapist, as it's such a terrible and sensistive subject, feel perfectly justified in threatening rape against her daughter who said nothing at all about the case. And I didn't think I could hold Twitter in any more contempt than I already do.

People moan about attempts to police the Internet. It's people who abuse their right to comment who will end up being the reason for all of us being policed online.


Yes Richard
keeps stating he has screen photos of the Trolls
and will get the Police on to them.



I feel a Docu' being made now

Ithinkiloveyoutoo 19-10-2014 02:05 AM

'The tougher sentencing laws have already been dubbed 'Chloe's Law' in light of Miss Madeley's protest against trolls.' :facepalm:

Tough on people talking smack on the internet, forgiving to ACTUAL rapists. How do you know the rape would have been violent Judy? :shrug:

Can't stand her. Her husband I can just about bear.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...use-cases.html

arista 19-10-2014 04:04 AM

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...78552_mail.jpg

arista 19-10-2014 12:47 PM

Feck me


Katie Hopkins live on SkyNewsHD
she said she get a mess
saying a man will hold her down
while her children are killed.


Troll Debate will be on their site soon

Samm 19-10-2014 12:48 PM

I'm screaming at her being compared to that

http://www.geekalerts.com/u/jabba-the-hutt-figurine.jpg

arista 19-10-2014 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Sam~ (Post 7329735)
I'm screaming at her being compared to that

http://www.geekalerts.com/u/jabba-the-hutt-figurine.jpg


Yes its online they do just that

Josy 19-10-2014 12:51 PM

Great news about the sentencing for internet trolls tbh :clap1:

Kizzy 19-10-2014 12:52 PM

Yes shame it took someone famous being trolled to get some action though.

arista 19-10-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7329737)
Great news about the sentencing for internet trolls tbh :clap1:



Yes I hope we get some fast
in the Courts


I bet some may
live at home with mummy


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