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Nigel Farage just been asked if he would have given money to 14 year old beggar and he said no. Asked if he ever gives money to beggars he said no. He said that so many of the street beggars in London are organised by gangs and that he agrees with John Bird that giving money to beggars eeven if by chance they are genuine is keeping them down, not helping them up. Nigel saying it straight and speaking for the people :clap1: |
Actually John Bird has put more people on the streets selling the big issue, day after day, some often just selling barely a few of them too,since you can in some cities find them all the way down the strrets and at every turn too.
I really cannot see where it is a major help to the homeless either really. I actually find more people moan when they seea big issue seller than they do someone sitting on the pavement saying nothing really. What likely irritates people about those sitting on the pavement is that their consciences may hit them. I agree some people feel uncomfortable seeing and passing such individuals,some people can just walk on regardless,not bothered at all at them being there, then you get others,who actually ring the Police to see if they can be moved on. As I said,I do buy the big issue from various sellers,however even when you have it in your hand, other big issue sellers are moving closert o you shoving their copies in front of you. John Bird has not got the answer,the big issue is not the way to eradicate people homeless on the streets, it needs to be worked out with the charities who know where the homeless are and also what needs they have. The problem is, no votes are seen to be got from the homeless so politicians ignore the problem largely. Charities will be starting soon for Christmas in its help for those homeless,what an eye opener it is to be involved with causes like that and get to see and talk with those who are vulnerable and homeless. Not shove them on the streets in all weathers freezing, raining, snowing for near all day selling a paper/mag. In the city I am near, I was in it 3 days ago and across 4 streets of it were no less than 12 big issue sellers. Know what, the thing I am most thankful of is that I am not homeless and would have topossibly live like that for any part of everyday. However,I will never ignore and turn my back on them.Seeing how much I could do to help both financially and physically rather than judge and condemn. |
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No way 6 months before the election would that even be a sensible thing to do. What would pelase those Labour grumblers is Ed Miliband offering an EU referendum too. Were he to do that, he would get less backbench grumblings from a 'few' Labour MPs. I am actually surprised he won't do that,I am not bothered as I don't want one anyway. Really there is only 2 parties that can win the 2015 election,I doubt either will probably get an overall majority but it is so, that the Conservatives can be 3% ahead of Labour and still not be the largest party. They can both be on 30% each and Labour will still be the largest party. Whatever happens in Scotland,the SNP would never support a Conservative govt and certainly never with any of UKIPs ideas. The SNP are a pro EU party too. I fear that actually leaves Cameron more dead in the water than Labour. Also there are the leaders debates, David Cameron performed badly in those last time and then didn't get an overall majority, Gordon Brown was lost in them from the start really. Ed Miliband is a diferent performer and he ,I have the feeling, could impress a lot in such debates over Cameron and Clegg's record. Also, Nigel Farage,he will impress in any debate he is part of, and although I genuinely think he intensely dislikes all the 3 main party leaders equally, I get the feeling he has just a little more respect for Ed Miliband. I actually think Nigel Farage would love the scenario of a Labour largest party result where UKIP had picked up enough seats simply to say,give a referendum on the EU and UKIP will not vote against your programme. I also believe since he says regularly, that he doesn't trust Cameron or believe a single word he says, that he would trust Ed Miliband to deliver such a referendum in the light of a hung parliament for that support. No leader is far and away a popular one at present, however the Labour party is on equal terms or slightly more preferred as a party to the Conservatives in all polling. If things stay that way as they even are now, even with the problems for Labour in Scotland,it will be labour who win by far the most seats and who will be part of, if not the, next Government,despite their leader. Really the Conservatives would also be likely doing much better with another leader too, in fact all 3 main parties need a new leader. None will come now before the election and there are 2 who will be seen as having failed the UK in Govt. namely Cameron and Clegg, and one that so far hasn't, Miliband. David Cameron is a really poor PM we just as Gordon Brown was too, we have no idea who makes a good PM until we give them the chance. For me, Cameron has had his chance and so Miliband with all his faults and awkwardness gets my support. I could never support UKIP because I neither want an EU referendum or to leave the EU. The Lib Dems for their misleading of the voters in 2010 and subsequent betrayal as to their promises, warrant being sent into the political wilderness for decades at least. |
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His only hope as you touch upon is that David Cameron is not well liked but people do accept he is a leader and has some credibility in the top Job. The Lib Dems are a spent force and UKIP will takes seats from all the main parties. so I think Labour will struggle to beat the Tories in a straight fight. But voters ARE not taking to Mr Miliband, Poll after Poll is demonstrating that fact, he appears gawky and wierd and regardless of his personality or conviction in today's World you must have that certain charisma if you expect people to vote for especially the undecided voters who unfortunately do give their vote to the person rather than the party. Mr Miliband does not look or sound like a PM, the Public think this, the Labour Bigwigs fear this as does increasing numbers of Labour MP's and Party/TUC activists. Once the groundswell gets to a certain level the Press will start airing these criticism's and more and more influential Labour MP's will start making noises as well. We have all seen this before, we all know how it works. Shame on Labour for not grooming an understudy or successor to Miliband as now there really is no one credible to replace him. A shambles for all concerned. . |
LBC can reveal a new poll
LBC can reveal a new poll suggests half of voters think Labour would be more likely to win the next election if Ed Miliband wasn't leader.
"49% of voters think Labour would be better off at the election if they ditched him as leader. "It comes amid reports that Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham, the Shadow Health Secretary, could run on a joint ticket to replace Mr Miliband. Ed Miliband has rejected reports several backbenchers have demanded his resignation. John Mills is one of the Labour party's biggest donors and has told LBC the party needs to pull together. He said: "He was chosen by the Labour party four or five years ago and in politics, you get these bad runs from time to time. "You've just got to put your head down, get on canvassing, stay loyal to the leader, stick to the policies we've got and get elected." http://lbc.co.uk/mm/image/31026.jpg http://www.lbc.co.uk/labour-more-lik...lbc-poll-99974 |
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I agree with him on the NHS 100% and did so when he was Health Secretary too up to May 2010. However, I don't see any change coming about, a Leader has to have his own agenda and to change most of what Labour stands for now with a new leader possibly only weeks before the campaign could in fact be even worse. I don't think on the day of the election, the bloodbath against Labour will materialise to the extent it may seem now and although both Conservative and Labour will be affected by whatever poll rating UKIP will be on at the elction, I still believe firmly UKIP will hit the Conservative vote more than Labours. Which really leaves it likely anyones guess what happens in the 2015 election as to the arithmetic of who gets power with no main 'old' party getting enough for an overall majority. Andy Burnham however taking the reigns for Labour anytime would be a good move for me. |
Looks like Labour could be in trouble if they don't get over this,Either by ousting Milliband or starting to back him and concentrate on the election.They don't need this now though.Maybe they're thinking a new leader might breathe some life into the party and get voters heads turning away from UKIP.
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This may yet, not be the last by election of this Parliament if some Conservative MPs feel they can safely hold onto their seats on a UKIP ticket as Carswell and Reckless will have. UKIP are on the rise,no doubt at all as to that and the more they rise, the more David Cameron also becomes isolated. Labour's problem is presentation, Ed Miliband need to look at 2 years ago, when he was etting the agenda on the bedroom tax and the energy price freeze. He has allowed himself to become a little complacent,Labour also need to push more to the front the real strong players in their team. Such as Chukka Ummunah, Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves to name just 4. Get the presentation right, stress it more and more and the masage is a far more hopeful one and in my view,better one than the Govt, currently has. The thing is, the 2 main 'old' parties are both running scared of UKIP,I still believe UKIP will hit both but the Conservatives more,however I do really wish Ed Miliband would also offer an EU referendum, that would halt the backbench worries and take the heat out of the EU debate too. It is that Ed Miliband is seen to be lot listening to those backbenchers that is helping cause this unrest. I think he has the right ideas and will be compassionate and strong where that needs to be done but he does have to wake up to this and get his presentation for the campaign ready and presented more confidently. The 2015 election is starting to look,with all 3 main parties at a loss as to UKIP,as if it will be a really poor show all the way through if all this keeps up from all of them. |
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The polls are odd,It is the way questions are asked that often 'guide' an answer one way or another.
I will wait to see if these headlines are actually true in the full context of what the MPs are supposed to be saying. I almost could belive some Labour MPs don't actually want to win the 2015 election,some in the Labour party for instance,never liked either Miliband brother anyway. I tried this out today on just 20 people,not scientific,10 each with a differently put question. To the first 10, I asked ''with the recent publicity of Ed Milband's performances do you think he could be a good PM''. All said No. To the second 10, I asked, ''Do you believe Ed Miliband as PM could be trusted to carry out Labours policies for the NHS and scrapping the bedroom tax'' 9 said yes, 1 said no. It doesn't prove anything but it would seem highlighting the negatives holds back support for him,while if these moaning MPs got out with the positive, strong and united message on the policies they all agree on, a different response seems probable as to him. The press are having a field day at present but they ignore the rpoblem fo how hard it is to challenge and change a Labour leader at present. I feel sure Tristram Hunt has been misquoted and would liek to hear all he ahs to say from himslef, not with the journalistic doctoring. Tristram Hunt,if he does feel that way, should then test the water for himself on the party and see if he could ever get enough MPs to publicly back a leadership challenge. I think he would end up being very disappointed, so these MPs should put up or shut up and get on with the job of exposing the heartlessness of this present Conservative led govt and the dangerous and unjust policies it would bring in,were it to ever get any kind of overall majority in 2015. Love him or loathe him, when your leader has his back to the wall you avoid any situation that will make things worse for him and in turn the Party overall. If Tristram Hunt for one, has these thoughts then he should resign from the Shadow Cabinet or be thrown out along with anyone else who intends working against the leadership rather than for it. It is simply too late to change leader now,way too late,however even where Labour are in the polls now, they would be the next govt. or the lading Party in it. Labour MPs should think hard before they speak on the issue to any journalist,trust their leader not journalists and certainly never anyone from the rotten sick Mail. There are rumblings obviously,that cannot be denied, however this talk of any change of leader is futile and ridiculous. Just as in the Conservative party, they have MPs who would see Cameron gone tomorrow too, a good number see him already as a loser,failing to win an overall majority in 2010. They for sure know with the UKIP situation and how he has fared in the polls since early 2011, he is a pretty strong bet for being an even worse loser again in 2015. Even if he stayed on the 30% to 33% the Conservatives have now and Labour even went down to the 29/30% it got in 2010. That represents the very sad state of all the Parties and politics at the present time. |
People are so fickle, why would they have faith in someone they have heard nothing of over Ed? Again it's playing right into the hands of the conservatives who are ramping up the pressure I see, can't see what's in front of them some people it's ridiculous.
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Being honest, I would rather there had been a different leader of Labour than Ed Miliband, however he is the leader and in fact he and the policies he has accepted as firm policies has won me over from my previous Conservative background and my voting Lib Dem in 2010. His efforts and the policies of his Labour Party have done that. I think every main 'old' party has a poor leader really,you have Nick Clegg who in fact, has the unenviable fact of not only his word meaning nothing but also anything he signs his name to either. Then we get David Cameron,guaranteeing no top down re-organisation of the NHS,then doing it,causing absolute dismay and chaos in the NHS, despite it neither being in his manifesto or the Lib dems. Then he goes on about the EU, saying it is an important issue that needs to be sorted. He said that over 2 years ago, then feels this important issue can wait over 2 years until the next election. Then he states if, I stress if, he gets an overall majority,only then will he set out to get a better deal from the EU for the UK. He will then unbelievably take another 2+ years on this important issue to do re-negotiations and only then afterwards hopefully hold a referendum by the end of his then almost 3rd year in power again. If this is how he treats an important issue, lord help us as to the other things that need sorting by Govt. He has no intention of holding a referendum,none at all unless it was clear that the voters would vote to stay in, he knows for big business,that would have to be the case. he could in fact have done the re-negotiations these last 2 years he has rambled on about them and then in 2015, be able to offer a firm referendum date,that is, 'if' he was really genuine as to it. So he is now another one not to be trusted at all with anything and certainly nothing important. That is why despite all the issues and problems Ed Milband has,I support him and his Party. He has not had the chance to show us what he can really deliver,the old 2 have and it has been a disaster so for those reasons and the policies Labour have in putting the wrong things right again,I will support Ed Miliband and Labour and help give him that chance. Only then will we see if he can be trusted too and what kind of PM he could and would be. However he couldn't possibly do worse than these 2 leaders we have had running things these last near 5 years now, who have been an almost totally incompetent and sadly heartless shambles. |
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Everything they have done has been to line their own pockets..lobbying fraud, cronyism, expenses scandals, cash for honours. It's all forgotten about due to this silly non story, pathetic. |
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Kizzy what about The Labour MP's that want him out? Thats the only Factor that Fecking matters here |
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With respect arista a lot of Jewish voters are disillusioned with all the Parties stances on Palestine, however just because it may offend some sections of society,it isn't wrong to be pushing for a state for Palestine.
It will be and is the real only way to a lasting peace of sorts in that area probably,many Nations are coming round to that too and of course it will have to be done with full consultation with Israel. I have every sympathy for Israel,it is a Nation surrounded by nothing but hostile other Nations as to its existence but it has to be protected too. There was a vote in the House of Commons, not in any way a firm vote of recognition of a Palestinaian state but certainly a testing of the water and it was carried by a good margin. So in fact all Parties in the UK are moving to this being the only way ahead but I hope it is done with agreement and support for it eventually from Israel too. For some Jewish voters to turn against Labour for their stance on this, is not really reasoned politics, this is also old news, I am surprised you missed it but Maureen Lipman ,a likely lifelong Labour supporter stated she was not going to support Labour now at least a week ago. Well that's fine, however to be living here in the UK and believe in the labour policies for the NHS and be against most of the other social policies of this Govt. Then to throw all that out and stop supporting a Party for that party saying something should be done,while not advocating doing it on a whim, shows a very sad reasoning for me from her, andalso by those who make this the only issue as to who they will support in an election in the UK. Well she and others can vote Conservative or Lib Dem then or even UKIP,what is their view on Palestine, does anyone know, I don't. However I think it wrong that in the UK which has served such voters well overall and which they have dedicated themselves to as well, to make these silly, 'right, I don't agree with that so I am not voting for them again' statements is I am sorry to say in my view a childish and ridiculous position to take. I am supporter of Israel,they are a Nation that have to be ever watchful in the area they are in as to their existence even. I also believe in a Palestinian state too, my hope is that both Israel and the Palestinians will in time,sooner rather than later, find their way to that table again and work things out. That does not mean however that any other Country or any Party in another country has not the right to say what it believes is right to happen and to set out to probably support same. |
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I have little time,indeed no time at all ,for cowards who want to say something or want something done but will not identify themselves fully in the process. I still also believe that Tristram Hunt has likely been misquoted and his comments taken out of context too, as is the case for most politicians of all parties with journalists. |
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But many are Shocked at the Left Wing Observer attacking Ed. As for names when they get a Leader confirmed then the names could come |
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However the polling suggest not a great deal of change no matter who was leader. For me, and I still think it is a really good and strong one, the mesage of Labour's policies is what matters in the end. Despite the reservations many have as to Ed Miliband,the more he sticks to his guns and presses on,I think voters will come to at least respect that and continue to support those policies,even if they cannot the man at the helm. If,in Govt. he really delivers all he says he will as PM,(and I am convinced he would),then there could be a whole turnaround for him. |
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Sure or until he makes a Tragic Error In Politics alot can happen in just 5 days |
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That is true,both in negative and positive ways. I cannot see what tragic error he can now make, the only one I see as to his policies and political status was his outright and still outright refusal to commit to a referendum on the EU in the next parliament. That doesn't bother me,as I have no wish whatsoever to be given a vote myself on the EU. It would be a waste of taxpayers money and time for me as we are in the EU and I would vote everytime to stay in the EU. However had Ed Miliband committed to one,these rumblings from a minority in the Labour party would be non existent, so petty are their arguments as to him. I actually admire that he again on that issue stands firm, so is clearly not frightened of any challenge,because at a stroke he could make life a lot easier for himself as leader if he was to agree to one. I also realy cannot see the predicted bloodbath coming about in Scotland either,I predict Labour could lose from 5 to 10 seats in Scotland but I really doubt any more. When a storm comes,you have to ride it through and it is often the loudest thunder that brings the smallest rain in the end. |
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