Originally Posted by jennyjuniper (Post 7548349)

Sometimes I agree with what Katy H says, wholeheartedly and other times I don't. But shge does make a refreshing change from the politically correct society that has got worse and worse over the years. Sometimes things NEED to be said and to hell with the PC brigade.

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7548511)

We were discussing her comments. I was asked to provide examples of her comments being nasty, small-minded and irrational. I did that.

And making horrid comments like that is doing something bad as far as I'm concerned. Words can be harmful.

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7548383)

Some examples:

Mocking a seriously ill ebola patient and trying to kick up a panic about her being an "ebola bomb"? I fail to see any rationality there, yet I see plenty of cruelty. I know I'd be horrified if a loved one of mine was diagnosed with a highly deadly virus and saw them being made the subject of nasty jokes online.

Making jokes about the Glasgow helicopter crash? Seems pretty cruel to me.

Casually calling for more bombing of Palestine without even acknowledging the innocents caught up in these conflicts? Again, not at all rational and very cruel.

Stereotyping people of certain names / the overweight / the unemployed as all sharing the same, negative traits? No rationality here and no actual logic but a prime example of a tiny, nasty mind.

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7548563)

NONE of which happened in the house.

NONE of it matters in the show, so why judge her on this.

You all advocate not judging people on there outside persona/reputation.

Many of you INSIST that its nothing to do with why you don't like her. Then you deliver this.

neext...

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7547921)

Off topic but just wanted to say, kirklancaster, I love the way you write. You should do it for a living. :)

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7547763)

I stated I hadn't watched the video,I said IF she is being rude,i will watch it later though,so I wasn't defending her just holding an opinion,lol.

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7547725)

My point to Elliebrew wasn't anything to do with her being rude Kazanne.

It was to point out that she isn't all accepting of others opinions like he suggested, when Keith gave his opinion she went off on a tangent and started attacking him personally.



No not that one Elliebrew.

So here we have people actually defending something when they haven't watched the clip LOL which funnily enough is EXACTLY what KH is guilty of in it :laugh3:

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 7547462)

I don't see her like that at all and am quite amazed at all the vile names she is called as well.

Do others when they call her these names, realise that they are emulating the very same things which they castigate her for.

She has said harsh things about societies benefits scroungers and no one can say it isn't true because it has been proved there are many lazy and fraudulent people who are.

I don't agree with her on the children's names or peoples hair colourings and wish she wouldn't write things like this. She deserves criticism and by goodness she certainly gets it in spades.

I have heard her being nice, but I have also heard her say she doesn't like compliments back. There must have been something in her past which has formed her opinions like this. Overall in the house, she hasn't been nasty to many, just Perez. I feel Nadia has been nastier towards Katie than the other way around.

Yes, she does talk about others but they all do. It was quite obvious when Nadia after calling Katie two faced and talking behind peoples backs, went on to do exactly the same with Perez.

Katie has been the salvation of the house because we would just have the Perez Show all the time. She has fought her corner well, giving Perez little rope and shoving it back in his face when he goes over the top.

Have you thought, Perez may just be the start, there are many copy cat BB housemates chosen and he just might have started a trend of being aggravating and annoying for the future.

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7548571)

:conf:

Um, you asked me to provide examples of her comments that were nasty, small-minded and irrational. I did that. You asked me to bring them up, you can't have a go now I have. :laugh2:

And I never claimed to not judge her on her pre-BB behaviour, I'm very open about that. I also think she's a nasty bitch in the house too, though.

And as far as I'm concerned, it absolutely matters. For starters, she's in there because of the comments, so they must be relevant. Secondly, it all adds to the sort of person she is. You don't magically become someone else when you walk through the BB doors.

Originally Posted by Jules2 (Post 7548641)

For the first time ever I have read KH's piece in the paper, I have to say that I am very impressed with it. She doesnt exactly praise herself and there is a sense of humour in it all.

She has empathy for KP and had a shower with her to wash her hair and to help her because KP cannot hold her left arm up.

She mentioned Michelles certainty that she is going to win, she spoke of the difference between the Brits and the Americans, the Americans having a more positive attitude than the Brits. There is a lovely picture of Michelle on the same page.

The D.Star is full of the fact that if Perez goes tonight he will be questioned by the police. There is a description of what exactly he did, wow and they put Ken and Jeremy out. They really ought to wind the clock back and get their facts right. They confirm that KH has not as yet made an accusation.

I think I may buy the Sun again just to read her columns, they are well put and well thought out with sense, honesty and humour.

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7548383)

Some examples:

Mocking a seriously ill ebola patient and trying to kick up a panic about her being an "ebola bomb"? I fail to see any rationality there, yet I see plenty of cruelty. I know I'd be horrified if a loved one of mine was diagnosed with a highly deadly virus and saw them being made the subject of nasty jokes online.

Making jokes about the Glasgow helicopter crash? Seems pretty cruel to me.

Casually calling for more bombing of Palestine without even acknowledging the innocents caught up in these conflicts? Again, not at all rational and very cruel.

Stereotyping people of certain names / the overweight / the unemployed as all sharing the same, negative traits? No rationality here and no actual logic but a prime example of a tiny, nasty mind.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7547482)

Absolutely and those truths are rightly coupled with our moral/core values. If Katie Hopkins moral values are the same as her utterances regarding, lets say ginger haired people, her morals are very shallow. If she's joking and really does have some empathy with those whom she mocks, then its not truth.

Fortunately there aren't many people who use what's called the "harm principle" when talking to or about a person or we would be seeing public lynching on a mass scale.

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 7547462)

I don't see her like that at all and am quite amazed at all the vile names she is called as well.

Do others when they call her these names, realise that they are emulating the very same things which they castigate her for.

She has said harsh things about societies benefits scroungers and no one can say it isn't true because it has been proved there are many lazy and fraudulent people who are.

I don't agree with her on the children's names or peoples hair colourings and wish she wouldn't write things like this. She deserves criticism and by goodness she certainly gets it in spades.

I have heard her being nice, but I have also heard her say she doesn't like compliments back. There must have been something in her past which has formed her opinions like this. Overall in the house, she hasn't been nasty to many, just Perez. I feel Nadia has been nastier towards Katie than the other way around.

Yes, she does talk about others but they all do. It was quite obvious when Nadia after calling Katie two faced and talking behind peoples backs, went on to do exactly the same with Perez.

Katie has been the salvation of the house because we would just have the Perez Show all the time. She has fought her corner well, giving Perez little rope and shoving it back in his face when he goes over the top.

Have you thought, Perez may just be the start, there are many copy cat BB housemates chosen and he just might have started a trend of being aggravating and annoying for the future.

Originally Posted by Jules2 (Post 7548670)

We are still at the door of what is the right moral? Do we speak the truth or do we patronise. We all have our own thoughts KH is in the limelight of newspapres columns and earning a living.

I am sure that if she was faced with someone of ginger hair or someone who is rather plump she would look at their morals and their capacity to meld. Who was that lovely chap who was on BOTS the other day, cant think of his
name for a moment, he is plump and he idolises her says she is a lot of fun.

At the end of the day I would rather look at someone in the house and judge them by their actions than take in all the rubbish they have accumulated in their life outside. I know we all do it at times, I have been guilty of the same thing but we really ought to give them the benefit of the doubt and thank them for entertaining us. As we know it is a game show and that is what they are in there for.

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7548657)

I asked you provide samples of that behaviour in the house!

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7548701)

Actually, you didn't specify "in the house" at all.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7548284)

You could be right,I LOVE the JK show,I'm sooooooooooooooo bad:laugh: another person who calls people out,funny how that hurts isn't it?

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7548766)

That show is built around creating a spectacle of damaged and fragmented lives. Its more like a witchcraft trial. I've already talked about my thoughts on JK, so I'll say no more.

http://readbetween.co.uk/go/the-shoc...me-television/

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper (Post 7548349)

Sometimes I agree with what Katy H says, wholeheartedly and other times I don't. But shge does make a refreshing change from the politically correct society that has got worse and worse over the years. Sometimes things NEED to be said and to hell with the PC brigade.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7548767)

He calls out ,errant fathers, dole dossers , liars ,thieves and lowlifes , people have the choice to ring up and go on the show , their decision not his , fair play to him I say.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7548792)

Well all I can say is, I hope he makes you feel good about yourself!

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7548794)

That's a strange thing to say.. How can Mr Kyle make anyone feel anyway about themselves?

Originally Posted by sarah2020 (Post 7548887)

As she said she isnt in there to make friends and thinks she will win it. She is just made that way to only see things from her point of view and god help anyone who disagrees. She probably believes she is not too faced even though we (her British public:omg::yuk:) can clearly see she is.

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7548324)

"Rationally" is the utter opposite of Hopkins' rants. I'm honestly bemused how anyone could apply that word to her and believe it themselves.

I don't mind blunt. I don't like cruel and small-minded. There's a difference.