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ebandit 01-02-2015 01:10 PM

abuse
 
so after reading 'bully' so often.............i now hear that katie h has abused

so many

really? there i was thinking that she had just expressed her opinion..............

Mark L

Jack The Cat 01-02-2015 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7555516)
Deebo said: She's lost every argument because she's a coward and a long-term social outcast lacking in self-confidence and social skills


I say: Much as I don't admire Hopkins, I think she has very good social skills if and when she needs them. She's the perfect chameleon.


Deebo said: Also because she has a limited range of knowledge, perhaps owing to her lack of social skills, and her vocabulary pales to nothing when compared with a professional broadcaster like Nadia or Keith.

I say: Again I disagree, Hopkins is both articulate and persuasive in her language skills.

Deb said: It's easy to say you hate immigrants, muslims, gays, poor people and disabled people on Twitter, but it's not easy to justify those opinions when challenged. This is why she's been a bit cowardly in hiding those extremist opinions and playing the part of a bitter old ugly posh woman. Perhaps that's the real Hopkins?

I say: I agree. Its easy to be the dominant voice from behind the bullet screen but we are yet to see her own that dominant voice. Hopkins has some excellent defence mechanisms which allow her to avoid rationalization.

I also think Hopkins has got a huge amount of self control. She would of been great in the British army because she's a superb strategist but this is what (and this is my opinion) makes Hopkins a dangerous woman. Whilst she would make an excellent director, one could never consider her to be a safe friend.

She's ruthless and unfortunately you often have to be ruthless to get to the top. That doesn't make her a likeable person in my world but I don't have to like her, she doesn't care; it makes little difference to either of us ;)

Another excellent post.

Deebo 01-02-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7555516)
Deebo said: She's lost every argument because she's a coward and a long-term social outcast lacking in self-confidence and social skills


I say: Much as I don't admire Hopkins, I think she has very good social skills if and when she needs them. She's the perfect chameleon.


Deebo said: Also because she has a limited range of knowledge, perhaps owing to her lack of social skills, and her vocabulary pales to nothing when compared with a professional broadcaster like Nadia or Keith.

I say: Again I disagree, Hopkins is both articulate and persuasive in her language skills.

Deb said: It's easy to say you hate immigrants, muslims, gays, poor people and disabled people on Twitter, but it's not easy to justify those opinions when challenged. This is why she's been a bit cowardly in hiding those extremist opinions and playing the part of a bitter old ugly posh woman. Perhaps that's the real Hopkins?

I say: I agree. Its easy to be the dominant voice from behind the bullet screen but we are yet to see her own that dominant voice. Hopkins has some excellent defence mechanisms which allow her to avoid rationalization.

I also think Hopkins has got a huge amount of self control. She would of been great in the British army because she's a superb strategist but this is what (and this is my opinion) makes Hopkins a dangerous woman. Whilst she would make an excellent director, one could never consider her to be a safe friend.

She's ruthless and unfortunately you often have to be ruthless to get to the top. That doesn't make her a likeable person in my world but I don't have to like her, she doesn't care; it makes little difference to either of us ;)

Seriously?

Well I respect your right to an opinion, we must have lived very different lives and have very different values if you consider Hopkins has been in any way "articulate", socially skilled or in control of herself. Take a step back, surely? Don't follow Perez around squawking, but take CONTROL of yourself woman!

And she's made it to the top? Seriously? This Morning, CBB, a twitter account and a neocon propaganda piece in the Sun? By that reckoning Kavana is an A-list celebrity :laugh:

Again, I have to disagree. I've yet to be "persuaded" by Hopkins' "articulate" "arguments" either in the house or the media. But clearly some people are. I'm just one of the millions who just see an awkward, obnoxious woman reading from a Murdochian script for a few shillings. I'd even go as far to say that she dumbs herself and her language down to maximise her pantomime villain appeal and make herself accessible to her fans and political bedfellows on the far right

Or she's a mixture of Virginia Woolf and Benazir Bhutto reincarnated and I'm wrong :laugh:

dannic71 01-02-2015 01:15 PM

Don't be fooled by Katie Hopkins' charm offensive
 
Please remember before voting for Katie Hopkins that she has probably insulted someone you love. She has made a living from making revolting comments on many types of people that she feels are beneath her and continues to look down her snooty nose at genuine, real people from all walks of life. I have not been taken in by her obvious P.R. stunt of trying to win the British public over. She has made numerous diary room conversations and in most of them she says how she loves the British public and hates all of "those bloody Americans in here", yet is friends with Michelle. (Although she apparently doesn't want to make friends, she was very unhappy when Katie Price suggested that she wouldn't see Michelle when she left the house). If she loves the British so much, why has she insulted overweight people choosing to ignore health, mental and financial reasons for their situation? If she loves the British public, why has she berated parents for choosing unique and individual names for their children? If she loves the British, why is she against the Government financially assisting parents of disabled children? I could go on and on but everything that spouts from this woman's mouth is clearly a loathing and bitter hatred of the general British public.

Beso 01-02-2015 01:21 PM

a great strategist! if i see through it then it aint great!

Deebo 01-02-2015 01:36 PM

I don't get the strategist thing either.

Not that they'd ever do it, but I think if you saw a Richard Littlejohn, Peter Hitchins or Jon Gaunt do this kind of thing THEN you'd see great orators and articulate, uncompromising, ruthless and successful people. It's debatable if Hopkins is any of those things even compared solely with Alicia

Don't get me wrong, I'd be just as against Gaunt, Hitchins or Littlejohn, probably moreso, but these are the giants of their game and I have to respect their relative qualities. These are trained, experienced and intelligent craftspersons as much as they're Tory scumbags

Hopkins is to these people what Kavana is to Led Zep. But I suppose people would argue that Kavana is a talented and successful musician :laugh:

And that's why BB is great. Brian Belo can be a comedy genius and Katie Hopkins a beautiful and articulate young woman in the eyes of their fans

waterhog 01-02-2015 01:43 PM

what ever your opion is of this lady - the fact of the matter is more people wanted her out then in = hnce the voting. if she wins i will be proved wrong.

Kazanne 01-02-2015 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dannic71 (Post 7555624)
Please remember before voting for Katie Hopkins that she has probably insulted someone you love. She has made a living from making revolting comments on many types of people that she feels are beneath her and continues to look down her snooty nose at genuine, real people from all walks of life. I have not been taken in by her obvious P.R. stunt of trying to win the British public over. She has made numerous diary room conversations and in most of them she says how she loves the British public and hates all of "those bloody Americans in here", yet is friends with Michelle. (Although she apparently doesn't want to make friends, she was very unhappy when Katie Price suggested that she wouldn't see Michelle when she left the house). If she loves the British so much, why has she insulted overweight people choosing to ignore health, mental and financial reasons for their situation? If she loves the British public, why has she berated parents for choosing unique and individual names for their children? If she loves the British, why is she against the Government financially assisting parents of disabled children? I could go on and on but everything that spouts from this woman's mouth is clearly a loathing and bitter hatred of the general British public.

:joker::joker:

Jennifereliza 01-02-2015 02:16 PM

Completely true post.

Her nasal voice, her gesticulating in the diary room, her bird nest hair - she is the vilest human I've witnessed, ever.

Withano 01-02-2015 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7554881)
shes so dumb and ignorant...so fake so evil, so insincere so full of hate and bigotry ...she spews out her endless toxic half baked nonsense opinions....yet never does her homework and ends up getting battered in every argument........Jordan tore her a new anus yesterday in a polite way.....alicia destroyed bully Hopkins every time they clashed, Alicia knew a lot on her subjects, bully knew nothing other than a moronic attention seeking insult
she cant claim any moral high ground and her taunting of perez body fat , ginger babies, her celebrating of child slave labour are all disgusting examples to her children
when perez hasn't waggled his tongue hes owned bully Hopkins every time, simply by being a a nicer warmer more sincere more forgiving person..
even patsy made far more sense with her polite requests to give pacifism a chance
now even cheggers is tearing her to shreds....hes told the moronic twat he doesn't have to be abusive to be REAL...he is being real and real can be nice...he told her walking in half way through a discussion without knowing the facts then throwing out opinions and arguments is stupid and all done to promote her own disgusting brand of hateful bigotry.....its boring says cheggers and the great man is spot on , that's exactly what it is
shes stupider than Alicia and the most ignorant desperado in there

You and others like you are the entire reason that shes rich and famous

poppsywoppsy 01-02-2015 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jennifereliza (Post 7555766)
Completely true post.

Her nasal voice, her gesticulating in the diary room, her bird nest hair - she is the vilest human I've witnessed, ever.



Katie H hasn't killed anyone, started a war or anything like it.

She has said a few things people don't like.

DemolitionRed 01-02-2015 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Deebo (Post 7555611)
Seriously?

Well I respect your right to an opinion, we must have lived very different lives and have very different values if you consider Hopkins has been in any way "articulate", socially skilled or in control of herself. Take a step back, surely? Don't follow Perez around squawking, but take CONTROL of yourself woman!

And she's made it to the top? Seriously? This Morning, CBB, a twitter account and a neocon propaganda piece in the Sun? By that reckoning Kavana is an A-list celebrity :laugh:

Again, I have to disagree. I've yet to be "persuaded" by Hopkins' "articulate" "arguments" either in the house or the media. But clearly some people are. I'm just one of the millions who just see an awkward, obnoxious woman reading from a Murdochian script for a few shillings. I'd even go as far to say that she dumbs herself and her language down to maximise her pantomime villain appeal and make herself accessible to her fans and political bedfellows on the far right

Or she's a mixture of Virginia Woolf and Benazir Bhutto reincarnated and I'm wrong :laugh:

I didn't say she hasn't lost control of herself in the house. Your example of following Parez around and squawking is a good one, but (and believe it or not, I much prefer Parez to Hopkins) Parez is often manic and Hopkins certainly isn't that.

I also didn't say she's made it to the top but its clear she fully intents to and if that means being ruthless, Hopkins won't have a conscience about that.

When I said "articulate" I didn't say "articulate argument", that's a whole other thing. What she is (and lets leave argument out of what I'm saying) is quick witted and sharp tongued and that takes a certain amount of confidence and intelligence. I don't doubt Katie Hopkins is a clever woman.

I love analysing people, especially Katie Hopkins who if I'm honest, absolutely fascinates me. I'm about as far away from Hopkins as one could get and I'm just as shocked and disgusted as you are when it comes to things she's said, both in the house and outside the house. I have already stated in various posts that I don't see her as an intellectual and I've already said, she behaves like a classic sociopath but what I won't do is continually bad mouth her for the sake of it and if I don't agree with your analysis, I'll disagree and put my ten cents in too. Thank goodness we can do that eh? because that's what keeps the cogs turning on sites like this. :)

Jack The Cat 01-02-2015 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 7555772)
Katie H hasn't killed anyone, started a war or anything like it.

She has said a few things people don't like.

It appears that for some people that is all it takes.

DemolitionRed 01-02-2015 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannic71 (Post 7555624)
Please remember before voting for Katie Hopkins that she has probably insulted someone you love.

I have to admit, having a disabled sister who has honestly struggled all her life, Hopkins did trigger an emotional response from me. Up until then I hadn't felt angry; disappointed at her unkindness, but not angry.

Kindness is a virtue and virtues are the actions by which we gain and keep our values.

poppsywoppsy 01-02-2015 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannic71 (Post 7555624)
Please remember before voting for Katie Hopkins that she has probably insulted someone you love. She has made a living from making revolting comments on many types of people that she feels are beneath her and continues to look down her snooty nose at genuine, real people from all walks of life. I have not been taken in by her obvious P.R. stunt of trying to win the British public over. She has made numerous diary room conversations and in most of them she says how she loves the British public and hates all of "those bloody Americans in here", yet is friends with Michelle. (Although she apparently doesn't want to make friends, she was very unhappy when Katie Price suggested that she wouldn't see Michelle when she left the house). If she loves the British so much, why has she insulted overweight people choosing to ignore health, mental and financial reasons for their situation? If she loves the British public, why has she berated parents for choosing unique and individual names for their children? If she loves the British, why is she against the Government financially assisting parents of disabled children? I could go on and on but everything that spouts from this woman's mouth is clearly a loathing and bitter hatred of the general British public.


Come on now, have you never heard of the stereotypical remarks by Brits against the French, The Germans, The Italians and the Irish. The American stereotype is bigger, better and louder than anyone else.

I get fed up that Katie Hopkins single handedly is responsible for all this nationalistic banter. It has been around for centuries, if you read the books.

Today, I was with a lovely young man with learning difficulties who attended a workshop with several others who have similar conditions. He told me he cannot attend anymore because of cuts and the transport was stopped for them all.
Yet, KP thinks it is OK not to pay for her son when her and his father are millionaires. If Katie H says this is not how it should be, I am behind her 100% Let's ask her Katie P how she feels about several other disabled people losing their transport because of cuts when she can easily afford to pay privately for her son, bet your life she will say it is because she can, not because it is morally wrong for her to do this.

So Katie H has said she doesn't like some children's names, well so what if she doesn't, it shouldn't affect anyone if she doesn't, just say Too bad Hopkins, but comments on how vile she is are way over the top. Others have a mouth to reply but it is again only banter. I am overweight, so are others but when I have my fat times it is because I overate and the truth hurts at time but it is still the truth.

A sense of perspective is needed, accept she is rent a gob and when people ignore her is when she is out of a job.

When you go crying, she is vile, she is this or that, she is living off this notoriety all the way to the bank. Ask why she makes others so annoyed, will it hurt her? No, will it do the person who hates her any good? No.

abhorson 01-02-2015 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 7555804)
Come on now, have you never heard of the stereotypical remarks by Brits against the French, The Germans, The Italians and the Irish. The American stereotype is bigger, better and louder than anyone else.

I get fed up that Katie Hopkins single handedly is responsible for all this nationalistic banter. It has been around for centuries, if you read the books.

Today, I was with a lovely young man with learning difficulties who attended a workshop with several others who have similar conditions. He told me he cannot attend anymore because of cuts and the transport was stopped for them all.
Yet, KP thinks it is OK not to pay for her son when her and his father are millionaires. If Katie H says this is not how it should be, I am behind her 100% Let's ask her Katie P how she feels about several other disabled people losing their transport because of cuts when she can easily afford to pay privately for her son, bet your life she will say it is because she can, not because it is morally wrong for her to do this.

So Katie H has said she doesn't like some children's names, well so what if she doesn't, it shouldn't affect anyone if she doesn't, just say Too bad Hopkins, but comments on how vile she is are way over the top. Others have a mouth to reply but it is again only banter. I am overweight, so are others but when I have my fat times it is because I overate and the truth hurts at time but it is still the truth.

A sense of perspective is needed, accept she is rent a gob and when people ignore her is when she is out of a job.

When you go crying, she is vile, she is this or that, she is living off this notoriety all the way to the bank. Ask why she makes others so annoyed, will it hurt her? No, will it do the person who hates her any good? No.

Well said.

I myself have come under the grouping of a couple of her opinions. And i really could not care less. I can see why she does it.

If you want to be offended you will be .

-Sue- 01-02-2015 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 7555804)
Come on now, have you never heard of the stereotypical remarks by Brits against the French, The Germans, The Italians and the Irish. The American stereotype is bigger, better and louder than anyone else.

I get fed up that Katie Hopkins single handedly is responsible for all this nationalistic banter. It has been around for centuries, if you read the books.

Today, I was with a lovely young man with learning difficulties who attended a workshop with several others who have similar conditions. He told me he cannot attend anymore because of cuts and the transport was stopped for them all.
Yet, KP thinks it is OK not to pay for her son when her and his father are millionaires. If Katie H says this is not how it should be, I am behind her 100% Let's ask her Katie P how she feels about several other disabled people losing their transport because of cuts when she can easily afford to pay privately for her son, bet your life she will say it is because she can, not because it is morally wrong for her to do this.

So Katie H has said she doesn't like some children's names, well so what if she doesn't, it shouldn't affect anyone if she doesn't, just say Too bad Hopkins, but comments on how vile she is are way over the top. Others have a mouth to reply but it is again only banter. I am overweight, so are others but when I have my fat times it is because I overate and the truth hurts at time but it is still the truth.

A sense of perspective is needed, accept she is rent a gob and when people ignore her is when she is out of a job.

When you go crying, she is vile, she is this or that, she is living off this notoriety all the way to the bank. Ask why she makes others so annoyed, will it hurt her? No, will it do the person who hates her any good? No.

I think the point is most things in regards to british V's america - KH called Perez up on insulting the brits yet herself guilty for insulting Americans :shrug:

KH has no right to tell what's ok and not ok in regards to kids names when she herself has used obscue Kids names :shrug: I don't think there is a decent person in the UK who would pick on her kids the way KH does to others

Deebo 01-02-2015 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7555776)
I have already stated in various posts that I don't see her as an intellectual and I've already said, she behaves like a classic sociopath but what I won't do is continually bad mouth her for the sake of it and if I don't agree with your analysis, I'll disagree and put my ten cents in too. Thank goodness we can do that eh? because that's what keeps the cogs turning on sites like this. :)

Exactamundo

It's better to exchange frank opinions and agree to disagree than abuse people who don't love your idol, which is frankly what I see coming from the Hopkins followers a lot of the time, mainly on other websites with a stronger political bent

Brian Belo is the best example. He isn't funny, but I have no interest in trying to convince his fans of that, much like I can't disabuse folk of the notion that Katie Hopkins is pretty, clever or strong

Peace

poppsywoppsy 01-02-2015 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Sue- (Post 7555820)
I think the point is most things in regards to british V's america - KH called Perez up on insulting the brits yet herself guilty for insulting Americans :shrug:

KH has no right to tell what's ok and not ok in regards to kids names when she herself has used obscue Kids names :shrug: I don't think there is a decent person in the UK who would pick on her kids the way KH does to others

Fair comment, I wouldn't stand up for her on this but the overreaction in return is what keeps her in the public eye.

She has made several uncalled for comments but some of the criticism on here far outweigh anything she has said about others.

She has a very hard shell, it bounces off her, I wonder why?

-Sue- 01-02-2015 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 7555831)
Fair comment, I wouldn't stand up for her on this but the overreaction in return is what keeps her in the public eye.

She has made several uncalled for comments but some of the criticism on here far outweigh anything she has said about others.

She has a very hard shell, it bounces off her, I wonder why?

I wish I knew why the things bounce off her I could say many heartless reasons why I could also try and understand her but I am just glad I don't think like her :D

poppsywoppsy 01-02-2015 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deebo (Post 7555828)
Exactamundo

It's better to exchange frank opinions and agree to disagree than abuse people who don't love your idol, which is frankly what I see coming from the Hopkins followers a lot of the time, mainly on other websites with a stronger political bent

Brian Belo is the best example. He isn't funny, but I have no interest in trying to convince his fans of that, much like I can't disabuse folk of the notion that Katie Hopkins is pretty, clever or strong

Peace

Why would you want disabuse those who like KH. Accept they have their views and you have yours. I will give reasons why I choose to support and reasons why I don't like someone but to try to change others opinions is futile.

DemolitionRed 01-02-2015 04:08 PM

I got the impression that Deebo was saying he can't disabuse people and I took that as meaning, that isn't his intension.

We are always going to get frustrated posts where one tries to convert the other. The more we try the more exasperated we become. I'm sitting on a five bar gate in here. Sometimes I agree with Hopkins and sometimes I agree with Parez but I don't have any expectations from either of them. Whilst I prefer Parez to Hopkins, I'm certainly not going to excuse him when he behaves like a twat but it also doesn't mean I'm going to take sides.

We are merely fly's on a wall and our opinions will make little difference to the up and coming outcome.

Razor 01-02-2015 04:10 PM

About time the British public gave her the boot.

Lstan 01-02-2015 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat (Post 7554960)
I respect your opinion but don't think you can say you represent the "We" I feel confident to say that some people do want her "Stopped" and do want to take away her free speech (and by extension others) they do not agree with what she has to say. As long as that is the case, then I feel perfectly comfortable in expressing my thoughts.

ok but you said this in reference to the OP and i pointed out thats not what the OP said. i dont see the confusion here?:shrug:

Lstan 01-02-2015 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7554995)
And some easily led people really don't understand the art of staying silent when it's needed when you don't agree with someone,,to 'win' an argument you don't have to be fuming and behaving like a toddler having a tantrum,mouthing obcenities,the best way sometimes is to just stare at them,and turn your back on them,try it,it really annoys them,:joker::joker:

in a general way, very true,
however if we are specifically talking KH, her gimmick, for lack of a better term is being confrontational and loud (at least online) and she has been loud at certain times in the house too. the times she has been quiet hasnt annoyed the other person its just brought an end to the discussion so i dont think you last bit is applicable in this situation but in a general one definatly!


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