Well said and had the Conservatives been in govt; the crisis could have been even worse since they under Cameron's leadership would have regulated the banks 'less' not more.

Anyone who believes that a Conservative govt; faced with a run on the banks,that they then wouldn't have bailed out the banks too as Labour decided they had to,are fooling themselves.
It may have even meant with less regulation of the banks that even more could have been needed to do so.

Farage also does invite problems, 'again I abhor the attacks on him out with his family',he does however make really stupid comments that can also inflame and invite prejudice.
He even blamed immigration for being late for a meeting in Wales a short while ago.

Perhaps were he more consistent or really revealed his true thinking,then he would either be seen for the danger he is in politics,or as I have chosen to do as to him,be dismissed as irrelevant.

His thinking is all to evident, money at any cost. He's an aging yuppie who only want a slice of the business end of politics, the social responsibility side is of no interest to him.

This post will not increase my popularity. but hey:

As intelligent, thinking humans, we all have the facility to formulate opinions.

As citizen's of this democracy we all have the right of free speech which allows us to express those opinions.

As a politician Farage has the same rights as the rest of society and the additional right – as the leader of a bona fide political party – to formulate policies which reflect his opinions.

It is beyond argument that a growing number of members of society identify with Nigel Farage's opinions and agree with his policies in part or entirety, and it does not matter one jot if others do not – that is Democracy.

As a first resort, those who disagree with Nigel Farage, his party or their policies have the same democratic rights under the rights to free speech, as those who agree with him, his party, and their policies; the right to express their feelings vocally and in writing - as long as such expression complies with our laws on Slander and Libel and a host of other laws.

As a last resort, those who disagree with Nigel Farage, his party and their policies, have a vote which they can cast against him come Election Day.

There is no LAWFUL action which falls between the first resort and the last resort. NONE AT ALL.

I have said this before, and I will say it again; The Law is The Law. We cannot 'Cherry Pick' it. We cannot bend its meaning to suit our own prejudices. We can twist it or ignore it when it suits us, and we cannot EVER TAKE IT INTO OUR OWN HANDS because we feel 'justified' because our victim, 'IN OUR OPINION', 'DESERVES IT'.

This mob of bullies comitted at least half a dozen criminal offences with their atrocious harrassment of Nigel Farage and his family, and should be prosecuted as a warning to all other anti-democratic mobs who feel that they can ignore or break our laws at will.

There is also another set of Laws – Moral Laws - and it is highly immoral for anyone to accost, harrass, and intimidate a husband and father when he is in the company of his wife and children. More than immoral – it is despicable.

No innocent victim(s) 'deserve it', 'were asking for it', or 'had it coming' and it is totally bewildering that any sane, intelligent people – on here or anywhere – hold such an opinion.

Prejudice and personal politics aside: up to now, Farage has been seen to conduct himself with far more integrity than all the other party leaders combined – in reprimanding those within his party who have been found to be guilty of minor transgressions, and dismissing others guilty of graver ones. He is also being true to his personal convictions by ensuring (or trying to ensure) that his policies actually reflect his true opinions, no matter how controversial those policies may be to some potential voters.

Some allegations which have been made against Farage on here are wildly exaggerated and others simply preposterous. Below, at length are Farage's UKIP policies. I suggest that the hysterics from Farage-Haters may stop if they cease 'baying for his blood' long enough to actually READ and ANALYSE just what Farage REALLY stands for, because the following proposals are brilliantly thought out, and every single one makes sense and will be beneficial to everyone in the UK:

[U]What a UKIP Government will do[/U]

Protecting jobs and increasing prosperity
- We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness.
– We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage.*
– UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders.
– We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules.

Repairing the UK Economy*

– UKIP will increase personal allowance to the level of full-time minimum wage earnings (approx £13,500 by next election).
– Inheritance tax will be abolished.
– We will introduce a 35p income tax rate between £42,285 and £55,000, whereupon the 40p rate becomes payable.
– UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover.

Reducing debts we leave to our grandchildren

– UKIP will leave the EU and save at least £8bn pa in net contributions. *
– UKIP will cut the foreign aid budget by £9bn pa, prioritising disaster relief and schemes which provide water and inoculation against preventable diseases.
– UKIP will scrap the HS2 project which is uneconomical and unjustified.
– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.*
– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.
– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.

Prioritising Education and Skills

– UKIP will introduce an option for students to take an Apprenticeship Qualification* instead of four non-core GCSEs which can be* continued at A-Level. Students can take up apprenticeships in jobs with certified professionals qualified to grade the progress of the student.*
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees. *
– UKIP will scrap the target of 50% of school leavers going to university.
– Students from the EU will pay the same student fee rates as International students.
– UKIP supports the principle of Free Schools that are open to the whole community and uphold British values.
– Existing schools will be allowed to apply to become grammar schools and select according to ability and aptitude. Selection ages will be flexible and determined by the school in consultation with the local authority. *
– Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.

Honouring the Military Covenant

– We will resource fully our military assets and personnel.
– UKIP will guarantee those who have served in the Armed Forces for a minimum of 12 years a job in the police force, prison service or border force
– UKIP will change the points system for social housing to give priority to ex-service men and women and those returning from active service.
– A Veterans Department will bring together all veterans services to ensure servicemen and women get the after-service care they deserve.*
– Veterans are to receive a Veterans’ Service Card to ensure they are fast tracked for mental health care and services, if needed.
– All entitlements will be extended to servicemen recruited from overseas.
– UKIP supports a National Service Medal for all those who have served in the armed forces.

The National Health Service

– UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents.
– We will stop further use of PFI in the NHS and encourage local authorities to buy out their PFI contracts early where this is affordable.
– We will ensure that GPs’ surgeries are open at least one evening per week, where there is demand for it.
– UKIP opposes plans to charge patients for visiting their GP.
–We will ensure that visitors to the UK, and migrants until they have paid NI for five years, have NHS-approved private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK, saving the NHS £2bn pa. UKIP will commit to spending £200m of the £2bn saving to end hospital car parking charges in England.
– We will replace Monitor and the Care Quality Commission with elected county health boards to be more responsive scrutineers of local health services. These will be able to inspect health services and take evidence from whistle-blowers.
– UKIP opposes the sale of NHS data to third parties.
– We will ensure foreign health service professionals coming to work in the NHS are properly qualified and can speak English to a standard acceptable to the profession.
– UKIP will amend working time rules to give trainee doctors, surgeons and medics the proper environment to train and practise.
– There will be a duty on all health service staff to report low standards of care. *

Controlling and managing our borders*

– UKIP recognises the benefits of limited, controlled immigration.
– UKIP will leave the EU, and take back control of our borders. Work permits will be permitted to fill skills gaps in the UK jobs market.
– We will extend to EU citizens the existing points-based system for time-limited work permits. Those coming to work in the UK must have a job to go to, must speak English, must have accommodation agreed prior to their arrival, and must have NHS-approved health insurance.
– Migrants will only be eligible for benefits (in work or out of work)* when they have been paying tax and NI for five years and will only be eligible for permanent residence after ten years.
– UKIP will reinstate the primary purpose rule for bringing foreign spouses and children to the UK. *
– UKIP will not offer an amnesty for illegal immigrants or those gaining British passports through fraud.
– UKIP will return to the principles of the UN Convention of Refugees which serves to protect the most vulnerable. *

Foreign Aid

– UKIP will target foreign aid at healthcare*initiatives, inoculations against preventable diseases and clean water programmes with a*much-reduced aid budget administered by the Foreign Office.
– British* organisations will be offered the contracts to deliver the remaining aid following removal of the EU Procurement Directive.
Energy
– UKIP will repeal the Climate Change Act 2008 which costs the economy £18bn a year.
– UKIP supports a diverse energy market including coal, nuclear, shale gas, geo-thermal, tidal, solar, conventional gas and oil.
– We will scrap the Large Combustion Plant Directive and encourage the re-development of British power stations, as well as industrial units providing on-site power generation.
– UKIP supports the development of shale gas with proper safeguards for the local environment.*Community Improvement Levy money from the development of shale gas fields will be earmarked for lower council taxes or community projects within the local authority being developed.
– There will be no new subsidies for wind farms and solar arrays.
– UKIP will abolish green taxes and charges in order to reduce fuel bills.

Agriculture and Fishing

– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy.* Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms. *
– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.
– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.
– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.
– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.
– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter

Welfare and Childcare

– UKIP opposes the bedroom tax because it operates unfairly, penalising those who are unable to find alternative accommodation and taking insufficient account of the needs of families and the disabled.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only. *
– UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
– UKIP supports a simplified, streamlined welfare system and a benefit cap.
Transport
– We will scrap HS2.
– UKIP opposes tolls on public roads and will let existing contracts for running toll roads expire.
– UKIP will maintain pensioner bus passes.
– UKIP will require foreign vehicles to purchase a Britdisc, before entry to the UK, in order to contribute to the upkeep of UK roads and any lost fuel duty.
– UKIP will ensure that speed cameras are used as a deterrent and not as a revenue raiser for local authorities.

Housing and planning

– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.*
– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites.* Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.
– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.
– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a*referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.

Democracy and the Constitution

– UKIP will overcome the unfairness of MPs from devolved nations voting on English-only issues.
– UKIP supports the recall of MPs as was originally promised in the Coalition Agreement, whereby 20% of the electorate in a constituency must sign a recall petition within eight weeks. The approval of MPs will not be required to initiate a recall petition.
– UKIP will introduce the Citizens’ Initiative to allow the public to initiate national referendums on issues of major public interest.

Law and Order

– UKIP will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. *
– UKIP will reverse the government’s opt-in to EU law and justice measures, including the European Arrest Warrant and European Investigation Order. We will replace the EAW with appropriate bi-lateral agreements.
– UKIP will not give prisoners the vote.
– UKIP believes that full sentences should be served and this should be taken into account when criminals are convicted and sentenced in court. Parole should be available for good behaviour on a case-by-case basis, not systematically.
– We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals. *

Culture

– UKIP recognises and values an overarching, unifying British culture, which is open and inclusive to anyone who wishes to identify with Britain and British values, regardless of their ethnic or religious background.
– Official documents will be published in English and, where appropriate Welsh and Scots Gaelic.
– UKIP will ensure that the law is rigorously enforced in relation* to ‘cultural’ practices which are illegal in Britain, such as forced marriages, FGM and so-called ‘honour killings’
– We will review the BBC Licence Fee with a view to its reduction. Prosecution of non-payments of the Licence Fee would be taken out of the criminal sphere and made a civil offence.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas.**
– UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol.

Employment and Small Businesses

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.
– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.
– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications
– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.
– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.*
– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.
*

you condones illegal harassment by a bunch of thugs shame on you

As intelligent reasoned human beings many are aware we're being royally shafted, it's time to make it (lawfully) known that any removal of any further civil liberties, or damage to public services will NOT be tolerated.

Can't actually find one bit in there that I disagree with :laugh:

He'll outsource the NHS... Nuff said.

He's attempting to appeal to your atypical bish bosh essex man, and Jerusalem warbling middle English.

I'm not fooled.

I'm not the immature ukip supporter tho x

the poor working class are paying more proportionately in tax than the rich but its not enough to keep the services running. throwin the lack of accountability from staff in the nhs and you have a enormous problem that is frankly horrifying

In this country the left wing dictatorship, will censor your words or views that don't fit their Ideology, if you say the wrong joke, the over sensitive police will throw you in prison, liberalism is anti democratic as any other ideology out there, nigel farage and his party say what they think and tell their views that people on the street are to scared to say, him and his party are attacked, in every way for it, we have had eighteen years of this, and it has to stop some where in the end, I think it is silly that some people will compare ukip to the norse fire party,

How does this relate to my post?

With the fullest respect Kirklancaster,and I praise your efforts on this at least.
They are words on paper, there is a lot of missed detail that can be behind all those fine words.
With the inconsistencies regularly portrayed by Nigel Farage and then the complete reversal as to what he has said at times, by candidates for UKIP.
I am left wondering why all that on paper, with a line or 2 at best of information, begs a lot of questioning as to the 'hidden' detail and also 'meaning'.

Words can be saying different things despite being laid out in a similar way,positive wording on the surface, once put into practice,can be revealed as in fact being very negative.
Just as vice versa, negative things on paper, can in practice become more positive in action.

Nothing I read there, alters my suspicions of a hidden agenda as to the NHS, while obviously there is a lot,on that small line or 2 against each idea/policy,the expansion of it all with greater detail, could be saying a lot of very different things in reality.
A lot of that does not in any way go hand in hand with things Nigel Farage says, 'off the cuff' so to speak.
I commend you on the posting of it but it actually reveals little that explains in full, what is actually meant in truth as to the policies.

I would never vote UKIP myself, because I do not want to leave the EU, I consider that very dangerous indeed for the UK and I don't particularly want a referendum either.

Reading through all that and even trying to imagine it as positive,leaves me thinking of the chaos in reforming just about everything in the UK as set out in that list you posted.
It is probably a pipedream sadly in my view.

:joker: No? But you're a staunch Labour supporter? I will compose a nice long POST containing nothing but irrefutable facts about how successive Labour Governments have continually 'fooled' their supporters as well as the rest of the country - I know, I was once a staunch Labour Supporter myself.

Second guessing with such finality just what Farage might do in the future, whilst ignoring all the deceitful 'U turning' and breeching of promises that Labour have already HISTORICALLY done is laughable. Nuff said.

This thread is about UKIP remember?...

Every leader of every party deserves to be judged on their merits, I see no merit in farage and I'm doubly sure there is no merit in cameron or clegg.
In real terms that leaves me with one option.

I always respect your view Joey, but I feel that most of the points you raise as to what Farage might do by way of 'U Turns' or 'breeched promises' is but speculation, whilst with Labour and the Conservatives, it is historical fact - and on a regular basis.

I feel Farage should at least be given a chance - he just might make a better fist of actually pulling this country out of the mire than the other two parties. Let's be honest - he can hardly be worse.

Without the NHS trust me...it will be worse.

I think all govts; have to do u turns at times, I actually think in govt; Labour does most of what it sets out to do and obviously will fail to on other things,
Labour for instance, rarely enjoyed the comfortable majorities the Conservative party got to be fair.

Since 1945 up to 1997, over half a century,Labour only ever got 2 comfortable working majorities in elections,whereas the Conservatives had 8.
That is bound to cause difficulties especially in a hostile house of commons.
Tony Blair's Labour govts; were in fact just mild Conservative ones really, very little was evident of wha Labours values were got included in those terms of office.
At least Ed Miliband has returned in part to more Labour values.

I don't object to u turns if they are necessary and have compassion and fairness at the heart of them.
Such as the Conservatives u turn on the poll tax.

Blatant lies are a different thing and misleading the voters intentionally,things this coalitionhas done, Cameron with the NHS, the Lib Dems with tuition fees.
those 2 things,trebling the fees and a top down re-organisation fo the NHS were not in either coalition parties manifesto.
For me they abused power even doing them.

That annoys me more than the odd u turn or need for some crisis management as to policy for a short time.
In fact I think any govt; that breaks its trust with the voters on the 2 issues,in the way they did that I mention above, deserve to pay very heavily indeed for that misleading of the voters and the blatant lying behind them too.

I nver thought I would see the day I was happy to say I was a Labour supporter but by all powers that be, I am now and this lot I am glad to say, I could nver support for those betrayals and lies.
They were betrayals and lies that were unnecessary but they did them anyway and the speed with which they enacted those policies too once in power, showed clearly, that was a 'hidden' agenda.

not voting? :laugh:

I'm not a fan of any of them, when forced with that dilemma, I revert to voting for the person I most like at a local level, irrespective of political party.

Nigel has said some interesting things, he has opened up issues for debate that shouldn't just be swept under the carpet, because that will just make it worse in the end.

That is becasue they have been in govt; he hasn't, that is the only way you can do that really as to Labour and Conservative govts; because they have been in govt; and had to do u turns on some things.

I would despair if Farage was given the chance,I don't trust him and don't like UKIPs policies, what I know fo them, even all you listed above.
Too many questions, not answered, not enough detail, most things blurred and no way of clearing the waters as you get conflicting explanations from whoever is representing UKIP at the time.

Not for me, I hope UKIP and Nigel Farage have not a thing at all to do with govt; at all after May 7th.
For me that is a risk too dangerous to take.

Waste my vote?... no, I wouldn't do that.

That sounds a little self serving, but local issues are important too and if your MP works hard for your community then I can't argue with your logic.

Nigel is a city trader, businessman and banker... this is a business deal, a lucrative investment. He's looking at the rich picking and whats for sale and thinking 'I'm having some of that'!
The only draw is money, nothing else.

At the end of the day,All this panic is for nothing because UKIP will not win an election.It will always be blue vs red in this country with a minor party possibly in coalition and i can't see Ukip ever being that minor party.
UKIP are actually engaging alot of people in politics who were either disinterested or did'nt vote because they are sick of the same old crap from Labour and the Tories.
UKIP have finally given us another option and Lab/Con members and some voters are panicking,However UKIP will never get into power and this country will continue with the same awful two parties(with possible coalitions)who have made it the sad state it is today.UKIP have atleast shaken up the main two parties and made them address issues that they would otherwise have ignored.
However,Not agreeing with the policies of a party does not give anybody the right to try and silence them or attack its members.That is not democracy that is just thuggery.If you don't agree with UKIP then don't vote for them.

I think you need to be careful about saying governments did U turns etc. Those in opposition make a commitment based on the information they are aware of at the time. The current government were left a far bigger mess to clean up than anyone at the time realised. This obviously forced some re-thinking and adapting of policies. Would you rather a government continued with its head in the sand rather than learning and adapting? I know which I prefer.

We vote for a party because we trust them to do the right thing - if we don't trust them, they shouldn't get our vote - simple. No political party would have come out looking good after the last 4 years. They simply have not had enough room to offer people what the need/want to feel comfortable and secure again. The fact that the Conservatives are still in with a healthy chance of winning the next election is an amazing achievement in my opinion.

:clap1: Well said Paul - as usual.

I don't even like Gordon Brown but:clap1: to this post, you've said it all for me.

Excellent Post Kirk.............back to your best

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: