haha its maybe not going to sit too well with the more left leaning side of the party, but that's why there is a vote :laugh: Not sure how that warrants harrasing family members though

I wonder how many other labour mp's are also members of that club :hehe:

:clap1: What a great article to find MTVN. Lol.

The most revealing parts of the article for me, are those which illustrate just how readily snake-oily Obamamunna and his 'Socialist' 'spokesperson' are willing to lie in order to try to thwart the truth being revealed:

"A spokesman for Mr Umunna initially said that he had never heard of the club and insisted Chuka had never been, but when pressed later admitted that he is a regular but said he did not have an entry key."

"Umunna was more coy when I asked where he had bought his sharp suit, saying he had purchased it from ‘the sister of a Labour organiser’ in his Streatham constituency. When I eventually dragged the name out him – Alexandra Wood – it turned out to be a Savile Row tailor where suits start at £600."

And the above lies are in order to conceal the truth of relatively MINOR matters. God help us if this smug, oily, self-seeker HAD or DID become party leader then Prime Minister because he would make Blair look like 'Mr Integrity'.

No; this article is just one more nail in the coffin of the great 'Left' delusion, but one which the great 'Left' will refuse to acknowledge because they ARE delusional.

Cue:

1) "I bet Tory and Lib Dem MP's belong to similar clubs".
2) "He's as much rights as anybody to be a member of any club he wants to".
3) "Just because he's a member doesn't mean he goes there - Get some perspective."
4) "Nigel Farage was a city Banker. Dave Cameron is rich. Nick Clegg is rich....Zzzzzz.... :sleep::sleep:
5) "The DM is just a Tory rag that only publishes shet.

The GREATEST MYTH in UK politics is that THE LABOUR PARTY is THE PARTY of what playwright Robert Bolt calls; 'The Common Man'.

The TRUTH is that, progressively, the LABOUR PARTY has NOT represented the interests of ANYONE but their own MP's for almost 70 years.

Sometimes, a jockey who detests GREY horses and who does not SUPPORT that horses stable and connections, will elect to ride a grey horse if it gives him the BEST opportunity to win the race and PERSONALLY shine and raise his OWN 'Marquee Value'.

As a Tory MP, slick, rich, ambitious self-seeker Obamamunna would be eclipsed by slicker, richer, equally as ambitious self-seekers, hence his appeal among the Conservative electorate would be diluted.

But riding his 'Grey Horse' in the Labour Party's Socialist silks affords him the greatest opportunity to personally SHINE and realise his hidden personal ambitions, because the FAR LEFT electorate seem blinded by their own dogma and incapable of looking at 'the bleedin' obvious'.

It is a historical fact that in Politics certain of the most militant and vocal of 'Far Left Wing' activists are often driven by secret envy of the privileged lifestyles and wealth of the very class of society which they purport to be contemptuous of, but they realise that the SUREST most certain way to PERSONALLY ACHIEVE that same privilege and wealth is by becoming a Labour Politician and most vociferously railing against it.

Derek Hatton - From Militant, Marxist to Millionaire Capitalist Property Developer, Author :sleep:zzzz to name but one notable example.

It has been the same throughout Industry over the years when 'Trade Unionism' was at its most powerful, where it was often the case that the most militant of trade union shop stewards were the first to be eventually offered Management Positions by beleaguered bosses, and the first to ACCEPT such positions.

For other TRUE examples of this political 'penis envy', look no further than those traditional 'grass roots' Labour supporting 'working class heroes' who jumped ships in their tens of thousands to avail themselves of the chance to snap up their SOCIAL HOUSING at huge discounts and who bought up discounted shares in the recently PRIVATISED once NATIONALISED industries under their supposed 'arch enemy Maggie Thatcher, thereby stating most emphatically; "Feck YOU Jack I'M alright".

What of the Socialist ethos here? What of the 'Labour ideologies?

Perhaps equally as illustrative of the utter FALLACY of Left Wing politics, is the fact that these Council House buying occupiers, used the considerable CAPITAL which their discounts guaranteed them to pay for extensions, conservatories, expensive kitchens and bathrooms, fancy driveways and gateways, and to place 2 or more expensive cars on those gated driveways - in FACT ANYTHING which EMPHASISED their SUPERIORITY over the poorer of their neighbours who were NOT in a financial position to avail themselves of this 'Feck-You-Jack' give-away vote catcher and BUY their SOCIAL HOUSING.

Left Wing self-blindness is not just confined to snake-oily self-seekers purporting to be socialist, or grass roots socialist voters who are grass roots socialist voters solely because they cannot join the very class of society which they are railing against - it also in evidence when it comes to the VERY REAL, VERY PROBLEMATIC issues of Benefit Scroungers, Immigration, the NHS, and a host of other issues which are damaging this country and imperilling its future,

But those are another post.

The point is, if you want to see SOUR GRAPES driven false ideologies look no further than the Labour Party, its MP's and great wedges of its electorate.

Back to Bollock Chuka Obamamunna;

The 'Man Who Would Be King' has fallen from the rope bridge of opportunity which led across the gorge of impediment to personal ambition, and has - hopefully - been permanently 'Kiplinged'.

This post is purely my unqualified, uneducated, ill informed opinion. :laugh:

“Destiny guides our fortunes more favorably than we could have expected. Look there, Sancho Panza, my friend, and see those thirty or so wild giants, with whom I intend to do battle and kill each and all of them, so with their stolen booty we can begin to enrich ourselves. This is nobel, righteous warfare, for it is wonderfully useful to God to have such an evil race wiped from the face of the earth."

"What giants?" Asked Sancho Panza.

"The ones you can see over there," answered his master, "with the huge arms, some of which are very nearly two leagues long."

"Now look, your grace," said Sancho, "what you see over there aren't giants, but windmills, and what seems to be arms are just their sails, that go around in the wind and turn the millstone."

"Obviously," replied Don Quijote, "you don't know much about adventures.”
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote.

You see 'Racist', 'Xenophobic', 'Right Wing Fascists' Don Josh BB - I see only the Windmills of Truth.

I have not got one Racist or Xenophobic bone in my body.

I am merely nothing more exotic than a REALIST.

So 'Tilt on' Josh.

I respect you BitOnTheSlide, but here you are wrong:

If I had been referring to you or any of your posts in my post I would have quoted you and addressed you directly in that post. I was - as I made clear - adding an overlooked point to The Truth's post, which is why I quoted him.

You actually posted number 53 and my post was number 64 - some 11 posts AFTER your post, so I did NOT "jump into this thread" where you "had just posted". I fact, I did not even have your post in mind - only The Truth's valid post.

As for "sweeping outburst" - I think you are being overly dramatic because it was neither "sweeping" nor an "outburst".

No, I don't know why you addressed your response to me, but you are misguided.

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Get On Down you Closet Tory

what a surprise


the party is in freefall

Big Red Len is on the JP politics show at 10am on 5 live

Apparently he has some things to get off his chest

This could be good

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05vc9j1

Yes Let it all out Len
in 30mins

I am entitled to my opinion, and your original post was a sweeping outburst as it was categorising a group of forum members under a general banner and criticising. If that's not a sweeping statement, I don't know what is.

Also, this is a forum, I am entitled to answer any post, particularly when it is in a thread I have been active in. You are all to quick to try and silence those who would disagree with you with a flippant, don't respond to my post statement. That is tantamount to trying to silence free speech

Is that the same club that the Camerons went to the night of the election?

The Conservative leader and his wife arrived at Mark’s Club, Charles Street, yesterday evening after Mr Cameron’s party secured an unexpected – if incredibly slim – majority.

The club is highly rated by respected Zagat restaurant guide, which notes members reportedly claim “if you have to ask how much it costs, you can’t afford to eat here”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10238125.html

I wasn't his greatest fan yet it is odd that being in the Labour party should for some have an impact on your taste in food and clothes, I appreciate it was the subterfuge yet it's a shame he even felt he had to try to conceal these facts.
Does it naturally follow all Labour party members are for the 'common man' and are expected to wear borrowed suits and eat at Greggs ...whilst the Conservatives, the party by the same token for the elite are expected to wear the finest clothes and eat in exclusive restaurants?

His downfall was in my opinion due to his choice of advisors, Heseltine was in Thatchers inner circle... Why would anyone of that ilk be considered a potential choice for the Labour party in the modern day? It makes no sense.

There are lots of exclusive venues in London, even looking at main stream venues like a Gordon Ramsey restaurant, you can pay thousands for a bottle of wine. What people object to is hypocrisy.

I was going to try to respond to the points here in the last few posts but decided what is the point.

Accusations of left wing blindness again come into play in a generalised sense, I see a fair bit of right wing blindness too which rarely gets a mention when there is an opportunity to get at those who are deemed 'left wing'.
I hate hypocrisy as much as anyone, however, I will wait to hear more on this, before I jump in and near hysterically condemn someone.
In fact in the same way I have done as to Conservative politicians from Andrew Mitchell to Nigel Evans over the years, despite being one of these left wing blind people.
Waiting to hear more as to their issues too as to the press and other problems.

Now we are off on council house sales, for goodness sake, many and probably most, bought those houses and stayed in them for the rest of their lives, it is the families often when the parents died,who made the big money out of selling them off later on.

To generalise that the norm was likely that people who bought them got expensive conservatories etc; (what a statement), the people who bought them so cheaply were employed people, why shouldn't they have conservatories and anything else that would add to the value of their newly bought home.

Really,I despair at the narrow mindedness of blaming everything and getting at only those on the left wing of politics.
While presenting the right wing as angels and saints.

How would it ever be possible to really reason with such prejudiced generalisations made against people with more left wing views from those on the right, coming at them with all the ills of the Nation and laying the blame for same at their door.

Both the politics of right and left have failed the UK for decades.
In fact over the last 115 years,through the 20th century and into the 21st century, we had over 60 years of Conservative led govts and around 35 years of Labour led govts
We are still in chaos and a mess, so who really is to blame for that.
Not one not the other but both.

Those who support one side or the other can be fair and accept both have failed a lot of the time,or, they can take out the rose coloured glasses and blame totally one or the other.
None of the latter is right and nothing of the latter warrants reasoned responses to such sweeping generalisations when made, which are then tried to back off from in some way as being said they were misunderstood.

That is like someone saying something really wrong about another person publicly, then apologising later, however the problem remains it was still said in the first place and is out there,a usually subtle move to deride one over another.

You are not actually arguing with me Joey on most of your points, and I am certainly not arguing with you on most of them either, because I have stated MANY times on here that having supported the Labour Party AND the Conservatives in my time, I have become so disillusioned with both, that I am now supporting UKIP.

I have also stated numerous times that BOTH of the main two parties have NOT the interests of the General Public at heart - only their own.

I am merely stating my opinion of Obamamunna and just how his cynical socialist façade dovetails so neatly into what I now regard as Left Wing fallacy.

Whether those who bought their Maggie Thatcher Council Houses at huge discounts did so to make themselves PERSONALLY richer or to take advantage of getting their home at a bargain price, the fact remains that they did so in the FULL KNOWLEDGE that they were depriving the poor and most needy in society from being able to be housed in affordable housing - something which tax-payer built and subsidised SOCIAL HOUSING was NOT created for.

The above is TRUE and relevant.

As is those who bought discounted shares in the once Nationalised but recently PRIVATISED industries purely to make PROFIT in the best sense of good old greedy CAPITALISM.

I am sorry that we are so divided Joey, really.

I'm not sure why the us and them divide between those who bought their home and those that didn't.. My dad bought his and was a Labour man until the day he died, he didn't automatically buy into some conservative ideology when he became a homeowner.
I wouldn't think that anyone making the purchases envisaged that there would be the shortage in social housing that there is today, or their decision was in any way mercenary.

I wouldn't decry anyone who buys shares in companies either, nobody is suggesting that all aspects of capitalism are bad. Where it sours is when massive profits are not used to maintain adequate levels of safety, employee wages and customer satisfaction.
I don't think the nationalised companies should have been sold but they were, there was no referendum held on that it was a forgone conclusion that once the government decided it was happening it was going ahead regardless. The fact that royal mail staff were bunged a few shares as a sweetener before they received their redundancy is irrelevant, it does not reflect anything on their principles at all.

Being an old fart certainly has its advantages sometimes :laugh:

I completely agree with the point I highlighted. At the time, the home ownership was championed for people who care for their community, take pride in something that they own and therefore look after it better. No one even considered the effect it would have on housing stock, because at that time, there were not the housing challenges that we face today. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

He took just as much pride in it when he was a tenant, he wished to put a porch on it but they wouldn't allow it unless he owned the property, so he bought it.

It was though you're right to reduce the cost of maintenance, as many of the post war prefabricated homes are so shoddy that now they are costing more to maintain them than they're worth, maggie knew this which is why she chose to offload them.