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I don't trust Corbyn. He seems to be pro-Hamas, would he be pro-Islamic so-called-State as well?

That is a very good question.

i would be very happy to see him become the new labour leader. It would make labour unelectable at least until the next leader is chosen

This thread is full of good points... and I particularly agree with this one.

No and to be fair to all MPs of all parties, I would dare bet none would be pro Islamic State either.

As for Hamas,as was pointed out by Obama as to his engaging with Iran, he made the vital point,you don't make peace with your friends but your enemies.
Sometimes you do have to deal with and talk to people you would rather were on another planet, in order to make progress in some way.

My own view is Islamic State are beyond reason and I cannot see any govt or any MPs ever wanting to engage with them.

Jeremy Corbyn has been a serving MP for his constituents for 32 years so far,I think that just because his policies don't appeal to some hardline Conservatives,that doesn't make him a terrorist lover or someone who cannot recognise the pure evil that is Islamic State.

Short and selective memories from hardline Conservatives,in the 80s they branded Tony Benn MP a lunatic and dangerous politician for his views on the EU and saying the UK should be out.
Now it is an extreme right wing govt and from the right supporting voters who may in just over 2 years take the UK out of the EU now.

Odd how to some, if a policy is from the left it is madness and dangerous, once it becomes a policy of the right, then it is the only way to go.

I neither think he will be or want Jeremy Corbyn to lead the Labour party but sensationalist cheap shots fired at him,particularly from the right, actually make me warm to him more, due to their unjustified inferences.

Such comments make me personally glad I moved away from that 'right' leaning position as to politics too,really glad.

Can't say I've ever associated left wing politics with terrorist organisations, and we have had maverick mp's for a long time from both sides of the house with questionable views/allegiances.

Personally, although I don't agree with the current politics of the labour party, I do trust those voting for a new leader not to elect a maverick and even if they did, he has still got to get himself into government and bring his party along with him, so its all a lot of scaremongering.

One tonights LBC leader debate Corbyn won

The others all sounded like labour twonks

corbyn will sell this country out for his gold coins, he will do what new labour did too the working class, alienate them, labour are a bunch of deceitful hypocritical low life traitors, they have 20 multimillionaires on the front bench, name me two parties that have more working class mps than they have, and they say we are the working class peoples party, corbyn is now with the gold spoon class people, sorry too say this too the labour supporters but, you won't get a large amount of working class voters that you had in the past,

I agree with that in part and the SNP particularly have cleverly scooped up,as to Scottish politics, a great deal of the what would be termed working class vote,more to the point they have also delivered a great deal for them in Scotland too.

However it is not just as to labour where the votes are not like they used to be, the Conservative party now has never crossed in a general election even just 40% of the votes cast,( an almost usual norm for them),since 1992,which is 23 years ago and 28 years by the time of the next election.

It is not desirable in my opinion but it is becoming the case,that govts are being elected with much smaller numbers of votes now.
For me, that is more reason again for discontent among voters.

I actually as a Labour supporter, have no problem at all as to millionaires, no matter what party they represent as long as they show compassion, fairness and justice as to their policy making for all.

Now Labour
is trying to get Liz Kendall
to stand down?

So Jeremy can not Win the Contest.


Its Pathetic the In fighting
but this One Old Guy
is the only real Labour MP there.

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Liz Kendall: I Will Not Quit Leadership Race

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I hope Ch4HD News debates all this Live

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Blair wont be happy:hehe:

tony bliar, the man who made it illegal to talk about immigrants, but legal to bomb a million of them?????????????

He should bugger off to America

yes they say you go to pergutary before you go to hell, so America will do

heres a lovely song for bliar as he heads to hell

Masters Of War"


Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly.

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain.

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins.

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do.

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

How do you negotiate peace... by warmongering? by selling arms to sworn enemies of the west is the tory way working?

Poll: 73% Of Labour Grassroots Want Corbyn

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Labour, won't ditch, 90 percent of there policies, corbyn has brought in the communist party, for large support, which is dangerous for are countries economy, they won't stable are wealth, only overspend it and leave nothing for the public, but high debt, labour are digging there own fate, faster, an faster, labours obsession with equality, and enforcing laws, who step out of line has, fractured a large part of british society, labour have created a paranoid society, in which they are worried about saying the wrong words or having the real opinion, its very unhealthy,

I agree nd new labour did exactly the same....the money is too big for these crooks to resist....as I said earlier new labour made it illegal to talk about immigrants, but legal to bomb a millionof them? INSANE PARTY. I can only pray Corbyn will be a vast improvement and a man with more principle

Now some Labour Lord wants the Women to stand down
so his Burnham can win


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corbyns socialism WILL work better than blair and browns , why? blair and brown made the rich richer and deregulated them....they got all the money to pay for public services from the poorer working classes with stealth taxes galore. totally corrupt. IF corbyn has some sense fairness and true intelligence. he will see this. raise the top rate of tax to 50%...lower vat which hurts the working classes and hurts their spending power and the economy. pull back stealth taxes, abolish car parking in town centres. tighten regulations on the elite corporations, loosen them on small busiensses to allow them to compete. merge the roads departments in all councils with the gas/water/electric/sewerage...work under 1 umbrella together with 1 budget.
strengthen the ombudsmen to deal with complaints about civil service and nhs cover ups.
slash middle management in the nhs and councils.....pay review for council bosses too.
reward councils who come in under budget, punish those who come in over

get the severn barrage project started, use our tidal nergey, the 2nd highest tides in the world and our wind properly
re nationalise water gas electric and water
and the trains too
set up a working committee looking at our industrial policy. again the steel and coal should always be totally nationalised

Democracy in Labour ?


No not at all
as a Labour Lord says the Women
in this race should stand down.


Kizzy & Joey - Labour 2015

Jeremy had a good Interview on Marr
this morning BBC1