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Livia 07-10-2015 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208247)
Ugh I hate it when people define me by my job. Guess what? We're not in a court room. I don't need to be professional here because I'm not at work. Also you're the same as Niamh, putting words into my mouth.

Now that we've established your first claim - that you were a "defence attorney" - doesn't exist in English law, you now claim to be a solicitor, don't you? If that's the case you would not be doing your job in a court room. If you did you would be a barrister. You really do need to sort out your facts, Ashley.

Ashley. 07-10-2015 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8208265)
Now that we've established your first claim - that you were a "defence attorney" - doesn't exist in English law, you now claim to be a solicitor, don't you? If that's the case you would not be doing your job in a court room. If you did you would be a barrister. You really do need to sort out your facts, Ashley.

Here you go again, trying to make me look bad by bringing up my personal life. I've already told you I'm not discussing it with you so stop digging.

Livia 07-10-2015 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208267)
Here you go again, trying to make me look bad by bringing up my personal life. I've already told you I'm not discussing it with you so stop digging.

I'm not surprised you don't want to talk about your career with me, of all people. Although you've been okay talking about it up until I called you on it.

Also, do you have any comment on this post you made in June?:


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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 7889189)
I know. I study Law but I'm not a Lawyer. :joker:


Ashley. 07-10-2015 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8208270)
I'm not surprised you don't want to talk about your career with me, of all people. Although you've been okay talking about it up until I called you on it.

Also, do you have any comment on this post you made in June?:

That was before I was ready to discuss my private life. I was scared of exactly this - people defining me by my job.

AnnieK 07-10-2015 06:22 PM

I'm sure the boy will be thoroughly checked by medical experts and his state of mind etc will be decided by experts who will then deduce his understanding of what he has done. We are in no way aware of the full facts of this case. It is an extremely sad story, not least for the family of the girl who died.

AnnieK 07-10-2015 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208272)
That was before I was ready to discuss my private life. I was scared of exactly this - people defining me by my job.

I've not been around much....what is your job?

Livia 07-10-2015 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208272)
That was before I was ready to discuss my private life. I was scared of exactly this - people defining me by my job.

If that was the case you could have just kept quiet about it instead of telling everyone a variety of untruths which have made you look exactly what you are: not any kind of lawyer.

I've been here for five years, no one's ever defined me by my profession. But then, I know what I'm talking about.

Ashley. 07-10-2015 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8208278)
If that was the case you could have just kept quiet about it instead of telling everyone a variety of untruths which have made you look exactly what you are: not any kind of lawyer.

I've been here for five years, no one's ever defined me by my profession. But then, I know what I'm talking about.

All you've done since you found out I was in the Law business is poke and prod, trying to push me down a bottomless pit, calling me a liar and attempting to make me look bad. What exactly is your problem? I'm still new to all of this. Instead of looking down at me and thinking of me as an amateur, then why don't you give me some tips and actually try to be a little more supportive instead of attacking me whenever you have the chance? I've worked so hard to get where I am and I'm not ready to be talked to like I'm a piece of **** by someone higher up the chain. I don't like being made to feel small and frankly, I'm finding your behaviour highly unjust.

Ashley. 07-10-2015 06:31 PM

Now I suggest you put me on your ignore list, and get on with your life.

Livia 07-10-2015 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208289)
All you've done since you found out I was in the Law business is poke and prod, trying to push me down a bottomless pit, calling me a liar and attempting to make me look bad. What exactly is your problem? I'm still new to all of this. Instead of looking down at me and thinking of me as an amateur, then why don't you give me some tips and actually try to be a little more supportive instead of attacking me whenever you have the chance?

I've worked so hard to get where I am and I'm not ready to be talked to like I'm a piece of **** by someone higher up the chain. I don't like being made to feel small and frankly, I'm finding your behaviour highly unjust.


I have never attacked you Ashley, I've asked you pertinent questions about your claimed profession but you've not answered anything. You've never even asked me what my specialism is, that's highly unusual for another lawyer and how do you expect me to give you tips unless you know in which area of the law I work. In fact, you've never talked to me about it at all. You're apparently defending someone in court in December, regardless of the fact that it's not a solicitor's job to defend someone in court. And then there's the "defence attorney" thing, you never explained that. It's nonsense.

Frankly, I find your behaviour bordering on fantasy.

Livia 07-10-2015 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208290)
Now I suggest you put me on your ignore list, and get on with your life.

That's not your call, thanks.

DemolitionRed 07-10-2015 06:41 PM

In the USA I thought a practising lawyer was an attorney and is permitted to perform either the functions of a solicitor or a barrister?

Ashley. 07-10-2015 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8208291)
I have never attacked you Ashley, I've asked you pertinent questions about your claimed profession but you've not answered anything. You've never even asked me what my specialism is, that's highly unusual for another lawyer and how do you expect me to give you tips unless you know in which area of the law I work. In fact, you've never talked to me about it at all. You're apparently defending someone in court in December, regardless of the fact that it's not a solicitor's job to defend someone in court. And then there's the "defence attorney" thing, you never explained that. It's nonsense.

Frankly, I find your behaviour bordering on fantasy.

Did I not already ask you to stop pestering me?

Ashley. 07-10-2015 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8208295)
In the USA I thought a practising lawyer was an attorney and is permitted to perform either the functions of a solicitor or a barrister?

Yeah, different in the UK though

Livia 07-10-2015 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8208295)
In the USA I thought a practising lawyer was an attorney and is permitted to perform either the functions of a solicitor or a barrister?

Ashley claimed to be a defence attorney but is British and has never been to the USA.

Livia 07-10-2015 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208297)
Did I not already ask you to stop pestering me?

I will question you when you get it wrong, Ashley.

DemolitionRed 07-10-2015 06:48 PM

Ah Ok, I thought you had taken the bar in some state in America Ashley but that may of just been me presuming you had.

Ashley. 07-10-2015 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8208306)
Ah Ok, I thought you had taken the bar in some state in America Ashley but that may of just been me presuming you had.

No there's different terms for different countries but they all essentially mean the same thing. It's confusing, even I haven't got to grips with it all yet.

Livia 07-10-2015 06:51 PM

It's not confusing at all.

Ashley. 07-10-2015 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8208310)
It's not confusing at all.

Well, lucky you :clap1:

Livia 07-10-2015 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208314)
Well, lucky you :clap1:

Oh yeah, thanks. The more I studied the luckier I got.

Niamh. 07-10-2015 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208242)
You're putting words in my mouth. I said he shouldn't get off SCOT FREE, not that he should be treated as an adult and locked up until the end of days. It's a bit hypocritical you saying that I should know better because of my job, when you're doing the exact same thing as a mod.

You actually said in your very first post that he should be locked up for life lol I'm doing what exactly as a mod?

Ashley. 07-10-2015 08:46 PM

I was exaggerating :shrug: & you are twisting my words / forcing a reaction out of me.

Niamh. 07-10-2015 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8208710)
I was exaggerating :shrug: & you are twisting my words / forcing a reaction out of me.

I'm not twisting your words at all, that's exactly what you said :umm2: I was just trying to have a discussion with you about it :/

Ashley. 07-10-2015 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8208736)
I'm not twisting your words at all, that's exactly what you said :umm2: I was just trying to have a discussion with you about it :/

I've never mentioned first degree murder though? :/


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