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joeysteele 11-11-2015 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8278905)
did you go to bed last night in a comfortable bed, under a strong roof, in a warm room, with food in your belly? Did your loved ones also enjoy that comfort? that is Cameron's job, to make sure that continues happening. so if the answer is yes, he is a success.

That is the case for many absolutely however this man's policies are taking more and more of those beds away from those who are the weakest and poorest.
His obscene and unjust bedroom tax still causing massive problems for those at the fare end of the scale.
People he does not a thing to help with and indeed looks for more rotten policies to make their lives,whether they be poor or vulnerable or even sick and disabled a massive struggle.
Even removing care from those who need assistance at home
Inflicting more and more financial burdens on them and now even attempting to make the financial position of even those in the lowest paid work harder,with his tax credit cutting plan.

Now, as for those with great wealth and even multiple houses, he will certainly be ensuring that they have nothing to worry about and that 'all' their homes and room is every house can be heated,that they can for sure sleep easy knowing he will not be doing anything as to policy that will reduce their status in the slightest.

I had all the things you list in your post above,which I have had all my life so far anyway.
I don't consider them a success even if everyone did have such things, I consider them a right that should be there for all citizens of the UK,anyone of great wealth or virtually no wealt too.
However, I have got out there myself and found endless people now for who even what you list above is fast becoming a pipedream.
Many may have a warm bed but not a warm room or warm house, due to having to watch funding as for heating.
The bedroom tax still taking off people who are poorest who are then left with little for even food.

The facts that anyone, let alone rising numbers, are in that situation is a failure of any govt, the last one we had just as for this one now.
There is nothing successful about preserving peoples rights, that should always be the right and decent thing to do anyway by anyone in power.

To not make sure the most vulnerable are fully protected and not made worse by policy making should be the standard duty of every PM and govt. This one is making things harder for those most vulnerable,all across the board and they know it is too.

Plenty of charities and welfare groups have warned this govt over the last 3 years at least of the devastation of their polices on the weakest, they take not a blind bit of notice.
If that to anyone could be termed success,then I say never ever in my book, never anywhere at anytime.
It should be a national scandal in fact never mind even be just thought of as any kind of success.

Kizzy 11-11-2015 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8278905)
did you go to bed last night in a comfortable bed, under a strong roof, in a warm room, with food in your belly? Did your loved ones also enjoy that comfort? that is Cameron's job, to make sure that continues happening. so if the answer is yes, he is a success.

It's only by pure luck that I have been one of the lucky ones to keep my head above water if I'm honest.
As Joey said there are thousands that don't have the comfort of a 'home' as opposed to shelter due to Mr Cameron and the welfare reforms.
In this extremely wealthy country that is a damning indictment and proof of how ineffective he is.
If the country is burgeoning as is to be believed due to foreign investment then why are those at the poorest end of the spectrum being squeezed so mercilessly, why do austerity measures only apply to some people?

It's contradictory to harp on about the need to make tax credit savings and then reduce the higher rate of tax.
The warm bed scenario for many people is on a knife edge, the season of heat or eat is here again and many won't survive it.
I don't care if I'm accused of wringing my hands or whatever it's a fact that year on year the number of deaths across the UK attributed to living below the poverty line increases.

Kizzy 11-11-2015 09:16 AM

'George Osborne has suffered a political setback over his plans to cut working tax credits when a Conservative-controlled select committee condemned his proposed reforms and urged him to consider a pause to undertake a fundamental rethink of his priorities in reforming the welfare state.

In a report, the work and pensions select committee argues that a slower phasing in of the tax credit cuts would compromise neither the government’s commitment to cut spending on welfare nor its aim to balance the books by the end of the parliament. The report was agreed unanimously, including by six Tory MPs.

In a rebuke to the Treasury’s priorities, the MPs warn that “the government is reaching the limits of cuts that can be made to the working-age welfare system, and particularly on those who are strivers”. At the same time, it argues “spending on pensioner benefits will continue to rise sharply and, arguably, unsustainably”.

The chancellor has already been forced by the House of Lords to agree to rethink his plans to save £4.4bn to cut tax credits and has promised that he would to revise his plans in the autumn statement due on 25 November.'


Well well, this is a turn up, I just hope that his doesn't mean that they will forgo the proposed changes to tax credits and turn the scissors towards pensioners...
I have a sickening feeling they will.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...t-cuts-reforms

Kizzy 11-11-2015 06:59 PM

PRIME Minister David Cameron has been accused of “high handed and arrogant” meddling after he waded into the debate over county council cuts.

He has tangled with Conservative leader of the authority Ian Hudspeth in an exchange of letters, and come under attack from Labour opposition leader Liz Brighouse, after criticising “unwelcome and counter-productive” plans to close children’s centres.

Writing to Mr Hudspeth, Witney MP Mr Cameron said he was also disappointed with other cuts proposed to elderly day centres and libraries and claimed Oxfordshire’s spending had actually increased over recent years.


Mr Hudspeth, normally considered a political ally, countered by sending a six-page response defending plans to make an extra £50m of savings and accusing Mr Cameron of “inaccurate” comments.

Read his full letter here Ian-Hudspeth-letter.pdf

Opposition leaders seized on the PM’s “staggering” letter, claiming Mr Cameron did not understand the impact of the Government’s policies “in his own backyard”.

If he is so ruthless in Oxfordshire then the rest of the country is toast...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/139...line_services/

Kizzy 17-11-2015 11:03 AM

Remind me again how brilliantly we're doing....

'UK inflation as measured by the Consumer Prices Index (CPI) remained at -0.1% in October, the Office for National Statistics has said.
The news will further dampen expectations of a rise in interest rates any time soon.
The Bank of England said earlier this month that the global economy was weakening, depressing inflation risks.
Following this report, many economists forecast that rates would not rise until well into next year.
October marked the first time consumer prices have fallen on an annual basis for two months in a row. The price of clothing rose last month, but this was offset by a fall in food, alcohol and tobacco.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34841952

Livia 17-11-2015 11:08 AM

Not nearly as bleak as when the Tories took over from Labour.

Kizzy 17-11-2015 11:31 AM

Hmm cyclical argument here again, counters with worldwide recession...

MTVN 17-11-2015 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8293994)
Remind me again how brilliantly we're doing....

'UK inflation as measured by the Consumer Prices Index (CPI) remained at -0.1% in October, the Office for National Statistics has said.
The news will further dampen expectations of a rise in interest rates any time soon.
The Bank of England said earlier this month that the global economy was weakening, depressing inflation risks.
Following this report, many economists forecast that rates would not rise until well into next year.
October marked the first time consumer prices have fallen on an annual basis for two months in a row. The price of clothing rose last month, but this was offset by a fall in food, alcohol and tobacco.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34841952

It's not particularly disastrous though is it. As the article goes on to mention, negative inflation can boost the economy so long as it does not become endemic

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Economists said negative inflation would give a short-term boost to the economy.

Chris Williamson, chief economist at Markit, said: "The benefit of ongoing low inflation is not only that interest rates will stay lower for longer but that real wage growth remains robust, which will in turn continue to boost consumer spending power and help sustain the economic upturn.

"The deflationary picture supports the Bank of England's dovish outlook, which envisages interest rates staying on hold until 2017. However, this outlook is dependent on oil prices and wage pressures remaining low, both of which remain something of an unknown."

Andrew Sentance, senior economic adviser at consultants PwC, said the latest ONS data did not point to "a more generalised deflation". As fuel price falls drop out of the annual calculation over the next few months, he expected the inflation rate to move up to "about 1% or higher".

He added: "Meanwhile, consumers continue to benefit from the combination of stronger wage increases and very slightly falling prices. The resulting increase in real wages and household disposable incomes should continue to be supportive of consumer spending and economic growth over the year ahead."
Fairly solid across the board then, as I said earlier in the thread. I notice there was no mention in this thread of the news a few days ago that the unemployment rate fell to its lowest since 2008

Kazanne 17-11-2015 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8294126)
It's not particularly disastrous though is it. As the article goes on to mention, negative inflation can boost the economy so long as it does not become endemic



Fairly solid across the board then, as I said earlier in the thread. I notice there was no mention in this thread of the news a few days ago that the unemployment rate fell to its lowest since 2008

I agree,there's plenty of good about this government, it's not all negative.

Livia 17-11-2015 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8294126)
..........the unemployment rate fell to its lowest since 2008

Shhhhhhhhhh...

Kizzy 17-11-2015 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8294126)



Fairly solid across the board then, as I said earlier in the thread. I notice there was no mention in this thread of the news a few days ago that the unemployment rate fell to its lowest since 2008

No there wasn't... That's because there are other factors affecting the DWP unemployment rate, those on sanctions, work experience, training courses and apprenticeships, none of which mean that there are more people actually employed.
So don't break out the fanfares just yet.

Livia 17-11-2015 12:59 PM

When Labour was in power, were people on sanctions, work experience, training courses and apprenticeships taken into account? Or is it just the Tories that lump them all together?

And a word on zero hours contracts... didn't they come into being just about the time Labour came to power? and didn't they spend their whole time in office doing nothing about them? Now they're regularly cited as evil... odd.

joeysteele 17-11-2015 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8294000)
Not nearly as bleak as when the Tories took over from Labour.

To be fair we have no idea of what it would be like had it been vice versa, all we know for sure is the financial world was in chaos in all Countries between 2008 and 2010.
Also too, the fact that the Banks were largely responsible for the crash too in 2008, labour should have done more to regulate the Banking sector no doubt, however where would we might have been had the Conservatives been in govt between 2005 and 2010 and had carried out their plans to regulate the Banks far less.
Well the mess then,could have and more likely would have, been even greater.
I am not crowing about unemployment down either, the massive rise of part time work means most people in the new jobs are not in full time regular work.
Statistics can say what any govt wants them to say.

When the jobs are secure full time ones then I will happily congratulate any govt.

Kizzy 24-11-2015 12:20 AM

Ken Loach has said there needs to be more public outrage around benefit sanctions and the reliance on food banks, with the situation much worse for working people than when he made his seminal film Cathy Come Home, in 1966.

The veteran film-maker rarely speaks while developing a project but is so deeply concerned about government policy on benefits and the sanctions regime that he gave an interview to the Guardian on the set of his latest film.

Loach, 79, is shooting what may be his last film, I, Daniel Blake, based on the writer Paul Laverty’s research of jobcentres, benefit sanctions and food banks. It tells the story of Blake, who has worked for years as a joiner but is then forced to give up work and claim benefits. “The present system is one of conscious cruelty,” Loach said. “It bears down on those least able to bear it. The bureaucratic inefficiency is vindictive and hunger is being used as a weapon. People are being forced to look for work that doesn’t exist.”

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015...byn-food-banks

BB4fan 24-11-2015 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8274624)
He's one of the worst PMs we've ever had, Let's hope he gets a vote of no confidence sooner rather than later.

What did you think of Thatcher ...???

Z 24-11-2015 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8294000)
Not nearly as bleak as when the Tories took over from Labour.

Agreed. Anyway, we're all writing on this with internet connections, I'm not sure we're the right people to be discussing this issue.

JoshBB 24-11-2015 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BB4fan (Post 8310427)
What did you think of Thatcher ...???

Let's pls never discuss this dark time in history ever again :laugh:

Kizzy 24-11-2015 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Z (Post 8311088)
Agreed. Anyway, we're all writing on this with internet connections, I'm not sure we're the right people to be discussing this issue.

Lost me here sorry...Internet connection?

Z 24-11-2015 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8311273)
Lost me here sorry...Internet connection?

Our standard of living is among the highest in the world and, despite the inequality in this country, anyone with the privilege of being able to post on here is not in the bracket of people worst affected by whatever cuts the government have made or will make. We can discuss it, but we don't really know what it's like to be in the truly worst off sections of our society by virtue of being on this forum right now, in my opinion.

Kizzy 24-11-2015 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Z (Post 8311355)
Our standard of living is among the highest in the world and, despite the inequality in this country, anyone with the privilege of being able to post on here is not in the bracket of people worst affected by whatever cuts the government have made or will make. We can discuss it, but we don't really know what it's like to be in the truly worst off sections of our society by virtue of being on this forum right now, in my opinion.

Well fair enough but what's that to do with the comparison of today and 2010?

Z 24-11-2015 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8311397)
Well fair enough but what's that to do with the comparison of today and 2010?

What does David Cameron have to do with the actions of his predecessors and whoever comes after him? I don't believe it's possible to ever stamp out inequality because humans are inherently greedy; but as far as standards of living and human rights go, we're doing pretty well. I'm just grateful that I can share my opinions and not be persecuted. :shrug:

Kizzy 24-11-2015 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Z (Post 8311419)
What does David Cameron have to do with the actions of his predecessors and whoever comes after him? I don't believe it's possible to ever stamp out inequality because humans are inherently greedy; but as far as standards of living and human rights go, we're doing pretty well. I'm just grateful that I can share my opinions and not be persecuted. :shrug:

Nothing I guess although the feeling that things are not as bad now as they were then I find hard to agree with, considering the worldwide recession and such.
You can, for now :)

Z 24-11-2015 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8311434)
Nothing I guess although the feeling that things are not as bad now as they were then I find hard to agree with, considering the worldwide recession and such.
You can, for now :)

Recessions come and go. Things get better and worse. Governments swing from left to right. None of this is new. David Cameron will not ruin this country - he'll make bits of it better and bits of it worse and his successor will undo everything he did and nudge us in a different direction. That's life.

Kizzy 24-11-2015 08:23 PM

I still feel it's unfair to harp back to times of recession, it is important to remember that the coalition left us in much worse debt than Labour, that is not likely to improve at all regardless of any perceived successes.
Whether or not you agree that he will ruin the country depends on your perception of ruination I guess.

smudgie 24-11-2015 08:32 PM

At least he will push the button if needed.
I feel a lot safer with him at the helm.


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