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you've obviously never been to Russia.

it's like how the North Koreans always use the tallest men during their propaganda even though statistically the north korean men are significantly shorter than their south korean counterparts.

There was no ISIS in that area of Syria, Russia has been attacking anti-Assad forces, not ISIS. It's already been proven that most of the Russian bombings and attacks have been not on ISIS but on Anti-Assad freedom fighters. Russia doesn't care about ISIS, they know the west will take care of ISIS, instead they are using fighting terrorism as an excuse to help their dictator buddy Assad from his own people wanting democracy.

good point, and also, why would the russians even get CLOSE to Turkish airspace after that warning?

I've seen the satellite positioning tracking of the russian plane, and it clearly flew into Turkish Airspace.

also let;'s keep in mind that there is NO ISIS in that area of Syria, it was only anti-assad forces. so Russia cannot claim to have been fighting ISIS down there.

The fact that Russians were taken down so easily tells you what kind of sophistication the Russian technology is at this point. TURKEY was able to down Russian aircraft.. TURKEY.

also, not to make light of the situation, but all this talk of Turkey is getting me really hyped up for Thanksgiving on Thursday. :)

the fact that your comparing military technology and bigging up Turkey's terrorist actions and not having any sympathy for the pilot or the rescue member who lost their lifes really does sum up your Countrys stance on the whole matter, you could be an official spokesperson for them

you even know where ISIS are located now as well, if only we had you last week to tell us where they are, you could have saved so many lifes pal.

They are now saying only One Pilot was killed

http://news.sky.com/story/1593808/on...pilots-escaped

Yeah just heard that, good news that one survived

Yes thats something positive in this mess

Look forward to reading it Z.

Whatever the truth is on this, it is terrible, and the actions by Turkey were totally unnecessary and smack of predetermined intent.

Another human is dead because of this act of hatred, and the only thing anyone will achieve by using this tragedy as a 'political football' because of their own prejudices, is, perhaps, an own goal.

The fact is that Turkey did nothing out of the ordinary.Russian jets and subs are constantly pushing the boundaries of what they can get away with.They've done it here and in other European countries.Luckily they have taken the warnings and been escorted away by our air force.Britain,America or any other country would have no option but to shoot down an unauthorised jet in their airspace which ignored repeated warnings to leave.Turkey warned them last time and they've done it again.Whatever the rights and wrongs of Turkey or Russia.Entering a country's airspace without permission is seen as agression.

The UK send up the RAF if someone strays into our airspace to warn the other aircraft, we don't shoot them down from the ground. If only Turkey was so stringent in its stance on terrorists.

...with the pilot, why do the reports say 'survived', 'rescued' or 'escaped' etc in single quotation marks..?...

I'm not supporting Turkey or saying they are squeaky clean but if Russian fighter jets came into any country and ignored ten warnings to leave then i'm sure most country's policy would be to shoot it down.Even a passenger jet which veers off course could be terror threat and could possibly be taken down after ignoring the home country's airforce let alone armed war planes.

One has to use force reasonable against the threat. They know that Russians are involved in Syria and *had* no interest in Turkey, it was foolish.

Russia routinely tests borders all around the world. As Livia said, we have had aircraft stray before, they are escorted away. Similarly, are we shooting at subs or fishing boats? No. Its all part of the game and keeps everyone on their toes.

In a way I am glad Turkey took this action, this together with their selling IS oil, encouraging western terrorists to join up with IS etc builds a realistic picture of their true allegiances.

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I still think it's a knee-jerk on the part of Turkey. They knew they were Russians aircraft and were out to teach them a lesson. Should they have been in Turkish airspace? No, definitely not. Is Turkey as thorough at protecting its borders from terrorists? No, not at all. In fact they are evasive and untrustworthy and I am truly surprised that NATO has decided to back them on this.

..so not confirmed that he's safe yet..?.../thanks Arista

Rescued Russian airman claims there were no warnings from Turkey

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-jet-live.html

Yes this a Major Problem
it all very well sending it out
but how does the sender
know they are receiving it?

Normally a military aircraft that's received a warning will dip its wings and change course. As a last resort, flares will be fired in a final warning.

The thing is, Putin’s never-ending lies mean we shouldn't count on what's coming out of the Kremlin. It didn't take us long to realize that Putin's Viktor Yanukovych operation was a just a guise to occupy the Crimea.

I wouldn't trust Putin further than I could throw him but I don't believe the Turkish interpretation of events for one moment either.

To my mind, Russia gave Turkey an opportunity to stir up some conflict between NATO country's and Russia to further Turkey's own ends wrt Syria.

Its all a dirty game and when "allies" are point scoring like America has toward Russia when there is no need, and they should be concentrating on furthering common goals, it reduces the chances of defeating IS.

There are too many big egos amongst the big players and Turkey will end up out of NATO and on its own if it continues down its present IS sympathiser path.

Turkey has repeatedly spoken with NATO about the Russian violations of Turkish air-space and NATO, along with Turkey, were well aware that Russia were being cute with them.

NATO is only playing the middle man in the present tit for tat argument. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...JOz8AdvL4ui.97 They will not be backing Turkey under article 5 and although that's good for us because it prevents an all out WW3, the Kremlin have to be rubbing their hands together in glee because there's nothing they would like more than to fracture NATO agreements.

Its hardly a common goal. Russia has been shooting down the very people the west are trying to protect and arm. Russia’s been intent on wiping out our allied rebels since they began flying sorties in Syria; so it’s not as if Western allies attacking Russian allies is some strange new escalation....Its a proxy war that has been raging for weeks.