Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8406226)

of course we should. How do you think the LGBT community has come to be accepted now? By letting people speak and their views heard. I find it obscene that people forget that and are not capable of accepting anyone with a different view to their own.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8406178)

...hmmmm, it's interesting that so many of us always say how we would like the 'old style' BB back and the social experiment, type thing...surely, having Winston in the house with his extreme views on homosexuality, together with homeosexuals in there as well, is an inetersting social experiment..I mean, is that not a big part of it all...to see if there could be any understanding gained or any mind-set changes etc...yeah, we can hate on people who have the same views as Winston/we can boo them and scream get out... but if we do that, then all it'll cause is for nothing really to ever change because that hate will inevitably cause a defensiveness that will not leave an open door for listening...it's 2016, views like Winston's should not still be something that exist but they do exist and maybe that's partly because they're attacked, rather than discussed..a mind-set is a mind-set, something that isn't easy to change and I would doubt, would ever be changed through a BB experience but at least it's a beginning and an opening for questioning that mind-set...why do you believe a homosexual guy would be a sexual predator in any way, why would you have to have your 'back to the wall', while sharing the same house space/environment...why would it in any way be damaging for a child to have homosexual parents..?...all of these opportunities lost by hating on someone, by attacking what they believe...as abhorrent as it may be, it's their genuine belief and one that will continue sadly and be 'inherited' if all there is, is attack on it...the 'divide' will remain, the divide will widen because it's not just his beliefs, it's also the beliefs of others as well....we're kind of quite selective with our free speech because we don't like it when it offends and Winston's opinions are certainly very offensive and prejudice...but what really the importance of our own personal offence, compared to a possible changing of like-minded opinions to Winston's opinions...is that not the 'bigger picture', to not shut down the Winstons of the world, to not name call and attack...that's only going to re-inforce their mind-sets...if we want change, we have to allow change to happen and we have to hear and listen to some pretty unpleasant stuff...there will be no 'fix' unless that happens...I could not be more opposed to everything Winston seems to believe, which is why any possible house conversations with him would have interested me the most...there was a chance here for a real social experiment, something that I've always loved about BB from 'back in the day' but it's sadly been lost to a 'hero/villian' thing which has been manufactured by BB...let's hate on the villian, that's so fun and entertaining, well yes it is but it's kind of missing a great opportunity of something much more than entertaining by just fuelling more hate and more intolerance...

..anyways, it is what it is, an entertainment show but personally, I'd like to see less and less Winstons coming along in the future because they have listened and been listened to and mind-sets have been changed or at least questioned by themselves..that would be an ideal world, I guess..the sort of Hollywood ending which just doesn't happen, does it..but a step closer to it happening possibly..?...I don't know if anyone has watched the movie, Pride...and incredibly beautiful movie, that did have that 'Hollywood Ending'...except that it was real life as well, the coming together of an LGBT community and a very prejudice, 'nuclear family' mind-set in a Welsh village...quite a few 'Winstons' in that village, I would reckon...or at least, that's how the story started but progressed to a very different ending...there was no 'the villians were killed in the end' ending/I don't mean literally killed obviously, that would have been a bit extreme..what would that ending have achieved anyway, along would come another Winston and another and another and etc etc....because they do keep on a comin' when they're distracted (these homophobic mind-sets..) by defending, rather than to be made to think about...by living with somone/sharing house space with someone for instance, who is gay and who (they possibly) could come to think of as making a darn good parent to a child...just a possibility that was booed out with no understandings given any opportunity to happen...a possible 'oh actually, this John person would make an amazing parent, I think..he has great values and character etc..so much to enrich a child's life with...so if that's possible...could it also possibly be that other gay people would make great parents as well...OMG, OMG, OMG..., maybe, just maybe my 'Christian beliefs' need questioning..'...so much easier to 'hate back' I guess, show the same lack of tolerance...but that's not really ever going to do anything positive though, is it...and really, because his opinions/views were about parenting/gay parents and so extreme...what is any of this teaching our children...that we won't tolerate a 'bad man', darling..that we need to show the same intolerance that has been shown by them..that, that will 'fix', well it won't because it hasn't...these mind-sets have not been 'fixed'....


..anyways, just my opinion of course...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8406178)

...hmmmm, it's interesting that so many of us always say how we would like the 'old style' BB back and the social experiment, type thing...surely, having Winston in the house with his extreme views on homosexuality, together with homeosexuals in there as well, is an inetersting social experiment..I mean, is that not a big part of it all...to see if there could be any understanding gained or any mind-set changes etc...yeah, we can hate on people who have the same views as Winston/we can boo them and scream get out... but if we do that, then all it'll cause is for nothing really to ever change because that hate will inevitably cause a defensiveness that will not leave an open door for listening...it's 2016, views like Winston's should not still be something that exist but they do exist and maybe that's partly because they're attacked, rather than discussed..a mind-set is a mind-set, something that isn't easy to change and I would doubt, would ever be changed through a BB experience but at least it's a beginning and an opening for questioning that mind-set...why do you believe a homosexual guy would be a sexual predator in any way, why would you have to have your 'back to the wall', while sharing the same house space/environment...why would it in any way be damaging for a child to have homosexual parents..?...all of these opportunities lost by hating on someone, by attacking what they believe...as abhorrent as it may be, it's their genuine belief and one that will continue sadly and be 'inherited' if all there is, is attack on it...the 'divide' will remain, the divide will widen because it's not just his beliefs, it's also the beliefs of others as well....we're kind of quite selective with our free speech because we don't like it when it offends and Winston's opinions are certainly very offensive and prejudice...but what really the importance of our own personal offence, compared to a possible changing of like-minded opinions to Winston's opinions...is that not the 'bigger picture', to not shut down the Winstons of the world, to not name call and attack...that's only going to re-inforce their mind-sets...if we want change, we have to allow change to happen and we have to hear and listen to some pretty unpleasant stuff...there will be no 'fix' unless that happens...I could not be more opposed to everything Winston seems to believe, which is why any possible house conversations with him would have interested me the most...there was a chance here for a real social experiment, something that I've always loved about BB from 'back in the day' but it's sadly been lost to a 'hero/villian' thing which has been manufactured by BB...let's hate on the villian, that's so fun and entertaining, well yes it is but it's kind of missing a great opportunity of something much more than entertaining by just fuelling more hate and more intolerance...

..anyways, it is what it is, an entertainment show but personally, I'd like to see less and less Winstons coming along in the future because they have listened and been listened to and mind-sets have been changed or at least questioned by themselves..that would be an ideal world, I guess..the sort of Hollywood ending which just doesn't happen, does it..but a step closer to it happening possibly..?...I don't know if anyone has watched the movie, Pride...and incredibly beautiful movie, that did have that 'Hollywood Ending'...except that it was real life as well, the coming together of an LGBT community and a very prejudice, 'nuclear family' mind-set in a Welsh village...quite a few 'Winstons' in that village, I would reckon...or at least, that's how the story started but progressed to a very different ending...there was no 'the villians were killed in the end' ending/I don't mean literally killed obviously, that would have been a bit extreme..what would that ending have achieved anyway, along would come another Winston and another and another and etc etc....because they do keep on a comin' when they're distracted (these homophobic mind-sets..) by defending, rather than to be made to think about...by living with somone/sharing house space with someone for instance, who is gay and who (they possibly) could come to think of as making a darn good parent to a child...just a possibility that was booed out with no understandings given any opportunity to happen...a possible 'oh actually, this John person would make an amazing parent, I think..he has great values and character etc..so much to enrich a child's life with...so if that's possible...could it also possibly be that other gay people would make great parents as well...OMG, OMG, OMG..., maybe, just maybe my 'Christian beliefs' need questioning..'...so much easier to 'hate back' I guess, show the same lack of tolerance...but that's not really ever going to do anything positive though, is it...and really, because his opinions/views were about parenting/gay parents and so extreme...what is any of this teaching our children...that we won't tolerate a 'bad man', darling..that we need to show the same intolerance that has been shown by them..that, that will 'fix', well it won't because it hasn't...these mind-sets have not been 'fixed'....


..anyways, just my opinion of course...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8406178)

...hmmmm, it's interesting that so many of us always say how we would like the 'old style' BB back and the social experiment, type thing...surely, having Winston in the house with his extreme views on homosexuality, together with homeosexuals in there as well, is an inetersting social experiment..I mean, is that not a big part of it all...to see if there could be any understanding gained or any mind-set changes etc...yeah, we can hate on people who have the same views as Winston/we can boo them and scream get out... but if we do that, then all it'll cause is for nothing really to ever change because that hate will inevitably cause a defensiveness that will not leave an open door for listening...it's 2016, views like Winston's should not still be something that exist but they do exist and maybe that's partly because they're attacked, rather than discussed..a mind-set is a mind-set, something that isn't easy to change and I would doubt, would ever be changed through a BB experience but at least it's a beginning and an opening for questioning that mind-set...why do you believe a homosexual guy would be a sexual predator in any way, why would you have to have your 'back to the wall', while sharing the same house space/environment...why would it in any way be damaging for a child to have homosexual parents..?...all of these opportunities lost by hating on someone, by attacking what they believe...as abhorrent as it may be, it's their genuine belief and one that will continue sadly and be 'inherited' if all there is, is attack on it...the 'divide' will remain, the divide will widen because it's not just his beliefs, it's also the beliefs of others as well....we're kind of quite selective with our free speech because we don't like it when it offends and Winston's opinions are certainly very offensive and prejudice...but what really the importance of our own personal offence, compared to a possible changing of like-minded opinions to Winston's opinions...is that not the 'bigger picture', to not shut down the Winstons of the world, to not name call and attack...that's only going to re-inforce their mind-sets...if we want change, we have to allow change to happen and we have to hear and listen to some pretty unpleasant stuff...there will be no 'fix' unless that happens...I could not be more opposed to everything Winston seems to believe, which is why any possible house conversations with him would have interested me the most...there was a chance here for a real social experiment, something that I've always loved about BB from 'back in the day' but it's sadly been lost to a 'hero/villian' thing which has been manufactured by BB...let's hate on the villian, that's so fun and entertaining, well yes it is but it's kind of missing a great opportunity of something much more than entertaining by just fuelling more hate and more intolerance...

..anyways, it is what it is, an entertainment show but personally, I'd like to see less and less Winstons coming along in the future because they have listened and been listened to and mind-sets have been changed or at least questioned by themselves..that would be an ideal world, I guess..the sort of Hollywood ending which just doesn't happen, does it..but a step closer to it happening possibly..?...I don't know if anyone has watched the movie, Pride...and incredibly beautiful movie, that did have that 'Hollywood Ending'...except that it was real life as well, the coming together of an LGBT community and a very prejudice, 'nuclear family' mind-set in a Welsh village...quite a few 'Winstons' in that village, I would reckon...or at least, that's how the story started but progressed to a very different ending...there was no 'the villians were killed in the end' ending/I don't mean literally killed obviously, that would have been a bit extreme..what would that ending have achieved anyway, along would come another Winston and another and another and etc etc....because they do keep on a comin' when they're distracted (these homophobic mind-sets..) by defending, rather than to be made to think about...by living with somone/sharing house space with someone for instance, who is gay and who (they possibly) could come to think of as making a darn good parent to a child...just a possibility that was booed out with no understandings given any opportunity to happen...a possible 'oh actually, this John person would make an amazing parent, I think..he has great values and character etc..so much to enrich a child's life with...so if that's possible...could it also possibly be that other gay people would make great parents as well...OMG, OMG, OMG..., maybe, just maybe my 'Christian beliefs' need questioning..'...so much easier to 'hate back' I guess, show the same lack of tolerance...but that's not really ever going to do anything positive though, is it...and really, because his opinions/views were about parenting/gay parents and so extreme...what is any of this teaching our children...that we won't tolerate a 'bad man', darling..that we need to show the same intolerance that has been shown by them..that, that will 'fix', well it won't because it hasn't...these mind-sets have not been 'fixed'....


..anyways, just my opinion of course...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8406178)

...hmmmm, it's interesting that so many of us always say how we would like the 'old style' BB back and the social experiment, type thing...surely, having Winston in the house with his extreme views on homosexuality, together with homeosexuals in there as well, is an inetersting social experiment..I mean, is that not a big part of it all...to see if there could be any understanding gained or any mind-set changes etc...yeah, we can hate on people who have the same views as Winston/we can boo them and scream get out... but if we do that, then all it'll cause is for nothing really to ever change because that hate will inevitably cause a defensiveness that will not leave an open door for listening...it's 2016, views like Winston's should not still be something that exist but they do exist and maybe that's partly because they're attacked, rather than discussed..a mind-set is a mind-set, something that isn't easy to change and I would doubt, would ever be changed through a BB experience but at least it's a beginning and an opening for questioning that mind-set...why do you believe a homosexual guy would be a sexual predator in any way, why would you have to have your 'back to the wall', while sharing the same house space/environment...why would it in any way be damaging for a child to have homosexual parents..?...all of these opportunities lost by hating on someone, by attacking what they believe...as abhorrent as it may be, it's their genuine belief and one that will continue sadly and be 'inherited' if all there is, is attack on it...the 'divide' will remain, the divide will widen because it's not just his beliefs, it's also the beliefs of others as well....we're kind of quite selective with our free speech because we don't like it when it offends and Winston's opinions are certainly very offensive and prejudice...but what really the importance of our own personal offence, compared to a possible changing of like-minded opinions to Winston's opinions...is that not the 'bigger picture', to not shut down the Winstons of the world, to not name call and attack...that's only going to re-inforce their mind-sets...if we want change, we have to allow change to happen and we have to hear and listen to some pretty unpleasant stuff...there will be no 'fix' unless that happens...I could not be more opposed to everything Winston seems to believe, which is why any possible house conversations with him would have interested me the most...there was a chance here for a real social experiment, something that I've always loved about BB from 'back in the day' but it's sadly been lost to a 'hero/villian' thing which has been manufactured by BB...let's hate on the villian, that's so fun and entertaining, well yes it is but it's kind of missing a great opportunity of something much more than entertaining by just fuelling more hate and more intolerance...

..anyways, it is what it is, an entertainment show but personally, I'd like to see less and less Winstons coming along in the future because they have listened and been listened to and mind-sets have been changed or at least questioned by themselves..that would be an ideal world, I guess..the sort of Hollywood ending which just doesn't happen, does it..but a step closer to it happening possibly..?...I don't know if anyone has watched the movie, Pride...and incredibly beautiful movie, that did have that 'Hollywood Ending'...except that it was real life as well, the coming together of an LGBT community and a very prejudice, 'nuclear family' mind-set in a Welsh village...quite a few 'Winstons' in that village, I would reckon...or at least, that's how the story started but progressed to a very different ending...there was no 'the villians were killed in the end' ending/I don't mean literally killed obviously, that would have been a bit extreme..what would that ending have achieved anyway, along would come another Winston and another and another and etc etc....because they do keep on a comin' when they're distracted (these homophobic mind-sets..) by defending, rather than to be made to think about...by living with somone/sharing house space with someone for instance, who is gay and who (they possibly) could come to think of as making a darn good parent to a child...just a possibility that was booed out with no understandings given any opportunity to happen...a possible 'oh actually, this John person would make an amazing parent, I think..he has great values and character etc..so much to enrich a child's life with...so if that's possible...could it also possibly be that other gay people would make great parents as well...OMG, OMG, OMG..., maybe, just maybe my 'Christian beliefs' need questioning..'...so much easier to 'hate back' I guess, show the same lack of tolerance...but that's not really ever going to do anything positive though, is it...and really, because his opinions/views were about parenting/gay parents and so extreme...what is any of this teaching our children...that we won't tolerate a 'bad man', darling..that we need to show the same intolerance that has been shown by them..that, that will 'fix', well it won't because it hasn't...these mind-sets have not been 'fixed'....


..anyways, just my opinion of course...

Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8405322)

When I say 'We should respect other peoples opinions' I don't mean we should say 'yaas you're so right, i totes agree', I mean that we should say 'Well I don't agree with your opinions but I can put that behind me and treat you like a human anyway.'

I just think the way Winston has been treated tonight has been completely OTT.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 8409662)

I dont really see how its possible to respect one mans opinion if his opinion is we should disrespect 10% of humanity. So, no, not always.

Originally Posted by cheapbbfan (Post 8408449)

He didnt bring these views into the house though. Big Brother did

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8410110)

True

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 8410136)

his views are still pertinent bc they're entirely why he was cast in the first place

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8410143)

And he's allowed "his views"

Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 8410125)

Big Brother knew exactly what they were doing. They booked him, recorded the views they wanted to air, they put him in the house and put him in a game they knew would create conflict. They then fed him to the wolves and maybe even changed the eviction procedures to make sure he was evicted. They even then probably forced Emma to do the interview she did and probably prompted Rylan and the heavily biased panel. In short he was stitched up like a kipper and fed to the lions and for what, a few extra viewers and a human interest story that disgusted many of the GBP.

If you want to know who the real villain is here, look no further than BB itself. Winston is purely a nobody with ****y views and he was bought and sold as a sacrificial lamb by a turd of an organisation that will grovel in dustbins for viewing figures.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8410143)

And he's allowed "his views"

Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 8410125)

Big Brother knew exactly what they were doing. They booked him, recorded the views they wanted to air, they put him in the house and put him in a game they knew would create conflict. They then fed him to the wolves and maybe even changed the eviction procedures to make sure he was evicted. They even then probably forced Emma to do the interview she did and probably prompted Rylan and the heavily biased panel. In short he was stitched up like a kipper and fed to the lions and for what, a few extra viewers and a human interest story that disgusted many of the GBP.

If you want to know who the real villain is here, look no further than BB itself. Winston is purely a nobody with ****y views and he was bought and sold as a sacrificial lamb by a turd of an organisation that will grovel in dustbins for viewing figures.