Wait...Since when were these Panama papers just about Cameron's dad? This isn't about smirking or gloating at our PM, this is about a huge number of super rich people paying no tax. This is about naming and shaming and catching up with these thieves and this is about making new tax laws that will protect the honest tax payers in Britain.

I pay through my tax contributions for the services I use; why would I subsidise some rich thief using those same services whilst paying nothing.

Oh don't bother I see the supercilious point scoring for what it is, my issue is the 'do as I say not as I do' attitude from the so called elite. Those who have to toe the line are justified in their condemnation for me.

..to be fair, I think that Livia's comments have been very valid because it was stated specifically that 'delight' was being taken with this because of the involvement of David Cameron's father...I agree with Cherie and Smudgie (so long as it's legal..)...most people if not all who have or have had limited companies, have in some way evaded taxes or their accountants have through 'clever/inventive or whatever book-keeping'...and I would think that the more wealthy a person is, the more able they are to employ an accountant who will know more complex ways, so larger tax evasion sums...and who then would say, no thank you, I'd rather pay full taxes...not many people I would think, also because they go by advice from their accountants, they're the ones who find the loopholes and suggest using them and that won't change while loopholes exist...you yourself DR in the budget thread, said that you owned a limited company and that your accountant was becoming very excited and referencing tax evasion in a way that didn't seem condemning at all of it, so that does seem quite contradictory to the stance taken now, with this....


..this section I have to say is such a mess of personal agendas and personal insults, it starts to become nothing about the topic at all, which is why the amount of posters in it is becoming less and less sadly...one would have thought for people who seem to love these topics, that the smart move would be to stop being so rude and antagonistic/ridiculing etc so that the section doesn't dwindle even further, with very little pleasure from it of hearing different and diverse opinions...

I don't understand the pettiness.

It's a big fraud. This is a part of our society that is corrupt and anyone who thinks its okay is deluded. This is exactly the sort of thing that puts millions of Brits into financial slavery. It sickens me. problem is: why doesn't it sicken everyone? are some people so divorced from reality they can't see the obvious.

The 'delight' comes not in the fact he is Camerons father, nobody has a personal vendetta against any one person do they? That would be silly, so to make an accusation like that is not helpful to the debate.
DR has clarified their point, as have I therefore any further digging in that vein is purely to derail the conversation further, which if the discussion appears a mess I would say that was the cause.
Having to defend your standpoint so regularly is very wearing, believe me I do not enjoy being antagonised at all.

There are elements in every part of society that are corrupt, there are people who illegally claim benefits, there are people who have work done and pay cash, there are people who are self employed who have two sets of books, anyone with a spare few thousand and a good accountant can squirrel money offshore, its not a privilege of the very rich, and its nothing new, I think we need to turn our attention to third world countries like Africa where 30% of the countrys wealth is held offshore, yet their people are starving and dying of malaria and other preventable diseases, that is more of a scandal in my eyes

http://www.africanews.com/2016/01/18...ffshore-oxfam/

Have to agree with you there.

Cant add to this Cherie,well said , I am sure most of us would be accountable for something.:hehe::clap1:

No one should be able to avoid or evade paying any recognised due taxes to the UK, nothing should be legal as to that.

Anything that brings to light how it occurs, should be seen as helpful in stamping it out.

I certainly could not get away with just not paying even £10 of any due taxes I was expected to pay and neither should anyone else, company or individual.
No matter their individual status or how small or how large they may be either as a Company.

Thankyou Joey the voice of reason at last! thank you.
How are benefit fraudsters and those who work cash in hand treated? They are demonised in the press and made subjects of damning TV exposes, so if this behaviour is replicated further up the food chain why would the response be any different?

We are not Africa, or China or Outer Mongolia, we need not turn our attention anywhere but keep our focus trained on our democracy.

And those up the food chain are demonised as well, Google and Starbucks being two that come to mind, legal loopholes have been found to avoid tax which must be closed. No we are not Africa but we prop them up don't we?

According to Wikileaks the panama papers were supported by USAID and Soros. Whilst Soros comes as no surprise, why would a USAID do this?

And?... either both are or neither if there is to be an equal footing here.
How do we prop up Africa and how is that connected to tax avoidance? I don't understand the link between those two issues.

And more trickles out....

David Cameron personally intervened to prevent EU transparency rules affecting offshore tax trusts despite warnings it could create a loophole for tax dodgers, it has emerged.

The Prime Minister sent a letter that successfully argued for trusts to be treated differently from companies in anti-money laundering rules.

Mr Cameron wrote to the then-European Council president Herman van Rompuy, claiming that it was "clearly important we recognise the important differences between companies and trusts".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6972311.html

Have you read the link?, 14 billion in taxes lost every year would we need to pay as much Foreign aid or charity if they paid up?

When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
Fredric Bastiat

Again we can't control what other govts do or do not do, we are supposed to be operating in a democracy. Now we are aware of it (if we weren't prior to this) there may be some conversations to be had.
Does that change the fact that we need to also ask questions closer to home? No.

'David Cameron has admitted he did have a profitable stake in his father’s offshore investment fund, before selling it for around £30,000 before he became Prime Minister.

The admission comes five days after a huge cache of documents were leaked – dubbed the Panama Papers – detailing the tax affairs of thousands of individuals of worldwide. The Prime Minister’s father, Ian Cameron, who passed away in 2010, was exposed as running a fund under the name of Blairmore Holdings in the papers.

Downing Street staffers initially said that it was a “private matter” whether or not Mr Cameron had benefitted from the fund. It later issued a series of statements denying the Prime Minister currently benefitted from offshore funds, or stood to do so in the future. Though, despite the clarifications, a number of questions still remained. '

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6973586.html

David Cameron is a man with a reputation seemingly made of titanium. Really, who does this guy have to piss off to merit serious calls for his resignation? Considering it’s just been revealed that he did actually have a stake in his father’s offshore investment fund, the lack of outrage is astonishing.

He annoyed steel workers, migrants, those on benefits, students, the disabled, the working class, the unions and women ages ago. But it's OK – those people don’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

Then he came for the middle classes, which was a bit of a shocker. The Prime Minister has presided over four junior doctors’ strikes; forced teachers into debating industrial action over plans to turn schools into academies; and angered solicitors over cuts to legal aid.'

Excellent article :clap1:


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6973631.html

Its an article that relates to how I feel. I'm not depressed about this, I'm angry but I'm angry because, as Kirsty Major states: "why isn't the entire nation angry?". One has to be innately submissive if they can't accept the political reality of what's happened here. How can anyone just accept this and worse... become defenders of these upper class thieves. :conf:

Sad isn't it? :( I'm wondering if they've put something in the water... this level of socio-political ennui is unprecedented!

I have to agree with this. I find it shocking that people are actually defending those twats.

These tax dodgers are a part of the reason why things like working tax credits and benefits for the disabled are under threat. Those who cannot afford to pay are being made to do so because these stupidly rich ***** can't be bothered to pay their dues like the rest of us.

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;8600254]vIts an article that relates to how I feel. I'm not depressed about this, I'm angry but I'm angry because, as Kirsty Major states: "why isn't the entire nation angry?". One has to be innately submissive if they can't accept the political reality of what's happened here. How can anyone just accept this and worse... become defenders of these upper class thieves. :conf:[/QUOTE


The nation isn't angry because everyone can emphasise with trying to pay as little tax as possible


As above, there are so many scroungers and tax avoiders at all levels of society it's hard to get worked up over a particular section


As above there are plenty people at all levels willing to ride on the coat tails of others.

I agree with DemRed too, really it is beyond defending these people who avoid or evade any due taxation.

No way should it be possible and it is way overdue as to really clamping down hard on those who do.
As you rightly point out, these people are part of the reason the sick and disabled and most vulnerable are having to face cuts.

Although the main reason for that is the cruel political choice of this particular govt,who could have gone down other paths rather than the one of discriminating against,attacking and abusing in the main the sick and disabled.

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