Can you assure me that in the next 4 years if we do not like what the leader of the EU imposes on the UK during that time that we can vote them out?

Gove is the elite though :/

the EU can't impose anything on the UK without our agreement, that was the deal that was agreed prior to the referendum announcement. So we don't need to do anything

Just answer the question. Can we remove the leader of the EU or not? Yes or No will suffice...

I've not had one single question answered yet by the pro remain side. Make of that what you will.:shrug:

but its irrelevant as we don't need to do what they say ... that was the point you were making. In addition, the terms of leaders within the EU are all limited timescales, and we always have a voice in deciding who the new leadership will be. Sometimes we will get our preferred choice of leader, other times not. Thats the way it goes.

You still have not answered my simple question. Can we remove the EU leader in 4 yrs time? Yes or No?

Exactly,that is all true bitontheslide.

However I will,(likely making a big mistake again here tonight),answer his question even though he never really answers any of the remain sides questions or gives any assurances on the certainty for the UKs future out of the EU.

No, we will not be able to vote that individual out, however we can send MPs to the European parliament and as you have told Johnny,the EU cannot now impose anything on the UK without the UKs agreement.
That is good enough for me.

So I am not bothered as to voting the leader of the EU out in 4 years and again as you have told Johnny,the UK govt gets a say as to who gets elected to the position anyway.
That equally is good enough for me too.

Its supposed to be an EU debate and all we are getting in the press is the constant sniping between the next leadership contenders of the Conservative party against the present incumbent.

This campaign is a total disgrace as to what it is for,it is like an election campaign of 2 parties only but everyone from the same party supportive of one manifesto or the other.

How can Gove state that £100million would go to the NHS, he does not make policy himself, he has no idea and cannot tell us what the costs, tariffs and conditions of any trade deal with the EU or indeed the rest of the World will entail.

Yes he can say we would have possibly funding spare if we left but he cannot say where that money would go or for what it would be used for.

It is almost as if what we have is now 2 govts,one with the policies it has now led by Cameron.
Then another just waiting to pounce and throw him and his supporters out for them to take over.

It is pathetic,and it does seem more and more to I would say more and more people too, that this is a battle for the Conservative party leadership and has really very little of conviction as to the EU as to 'in' or 'out'.

David Cameron is in my view, being forced to battle for his political survival,while the self styled bumbling buffoon Boris Johnson with his backers,plans his takeover bid against the PM.

Awful, I am ashamed of UK democracy that a campaign on such an issue as important as this one, has delivered no real facts,truths or reliably substantiated information the voters need to make a really informed decision on the EU and the future of the UK.
An absolute disgrace and headlines like Gove castigates the Prime Minister, just about sums up all the 'out' side and its campaign.

The 'leave' camp promises near Utopia if we leave but with no substance whatsoever, lies,no facts and no support for same internationally or Nationally either,except from themselves.
This is not now fully and really about the EU at all in my view, it is about who is going to be the Prime Minister after the EU vote.

No we cannot Johnny.

Decisions and laws will be made for us by the CEO's of the biggest company's in Europe, because that's who run the show.

They will even hand pick our candidate's to be our Prime Minister.

i think this is a pretty accurate reflection. No-one can say where money will be spent. If labour are in power it may go to local councils, NHS or even foreign aid!! ... if its the tories, it may go to reducing taxes or helping small business, but no-one has the authority other than Cameron to say how it will be spent as he is the PM ... and, he is the one not wanting the money to spend .... hope thats all clear then :joker:

Spot on again.

The media is to blame here too with not challenging and making these points for the voters as well.

So was the inaccurate £350 million figure raised? I missed it.

Faisal was more confrontational with Gove imo but I think the audience were much easier on him than they were with Cameron. Some of the scripted questions were quite poor as well and didn't really challenge him. He held up pretty well overall but I think he had an easier task seeing as anyone can just stand there and rubbish the EU and given that there is no precedent for leaving an organisation like that he can basically promise the world and not be held to account for it.