It's extremely rare that a nasty Housemate on BB is one of the duller contestants of their year.

In fact the only time that I can think of it was Conor in BB13.

Marco had NOTHING other than the drama with Laura/his fiancee on the outside. He had no personality to speak of.

Also, Charlie being a hateful bitch = great housemate according to your criteria. :smug:

Charlie being a hateful bitch doesn't make her the dullest of the series which I still standby that.

Emma and Alex are taking that title as they offer zero to the show, and ironically will probably be the final two despite being so dull.

But yeah I think even most Marco detractors wouldn't say that he had no personality whatsoever, otherwise there wouldn't have been people disliking him so badly like he was the male Helen Wood otherwise.

Okay but that's a very quantity over quality approach. Like, Helen Wood definitely contributed to BB15 and she wasn't dull, but all she contributed to for me was my discomfort and dislike for the series. Same with people like Marc and Aaron.

I just think that if you're trying to use an objective approach to determine who The Best Housemates are, you're making an assumption that all contributions and entertainment are equal and it just matters that you're doing something rather than considering what you're actually doing. If that's the case, you can just count sentences in each episode and whoever speaks the most is The Best Housemate.

If Helen wood was the first evictee from BB15 the series would of been a lot more better fact.

On the Marco/Natalie thing, I thought Natalie was better and very different to him. Marco thought entertainment was about sex, which was boring. Natalie just got the standard bad edit. Only later did we see that all the other HMs were annoyed with Jayne and the cleaning, only later did we see that Hughey likes to bring up and continue arguments.

And I don't think the problem with BBUK is the format, the problem is the manipulation and what's been done with the format (z-listers dominating). Being progressive and making it vote to save like the Australian version could work too.

The US version can work well, but can work poorly when it's too manipulated. As seen with the teams this year, put in just to keep the vets in longer. When you have one side controlling the house it gets boring.

its kind of funny the US started a couple weeks before the UK did but US changed the format to what is now the next year. it just didnt work. i like a few BB for different reasons and dont really favor one over the other since in some years i liked a US/UK/CUK/AU/CA season better than one of the others in the same year. it just depends. sadly for me the worst US & UK seasons happened in the same summer which was also the last year UK had feeds. that was dreadful. the only way i wouldnt mind UK adopted the US is if it was a one off but not forever changed as this is the only one (plus celeb) that does it the way they do that i watch now since AU was canned. though the public vote overall is terrible.

I get what you're saying and I agree to an extent that some of these Housemates are uncomfortable to watch, it's just that I would keep them around over people that give out nothing to the show, I'm not saying Marco or Natalie to win the show, I'm just saying that when Housemates like them face complete and utter dullards that offer absolutely zero to the programme, that the dullards leave instead.

It's like in BB16 when Danny and Chloe was the two dullest up in that quadruple eviction and they both survived, they both ended up contributing nothing to the series and the other four would've been better to keep around for a little bit.

Now that's too soon.

Looking back on it Helen should've been evicted the week Matthew went as she'd achieved all of her best stuff at that point, and anything after that was just repetitive and not as good as her first 3 to 4 weeks imo.

As an American, let me just say that I much prefer the UK rules..I have tried to watch a few different series but rarely do i stick with them..I rather like that the housemates can plan, and execute anything they like, but ultimately it comes down to the public's feelings on them as to if the stay or go..