Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8795181)

I think we simply disagree on this one NM; I think the obvious response to the slogan "Black Lives Matter" would be "Oh... Do some people believe that black lives don't matter or matter less?".

By your logic, it's just as valid to assume that someone politically completely unaware would see a "votes for women!" banner and say, "Hey, why only women??". What you're pointing out is that people were not naive to the context; they knew that it was just women who didn't have the vote. There is nothing IN the message that explains the context, it is assumed as "known".

Exactly the same should apply with Black Lives Matter. Taken in political context, the "too" should easily be implied and the argument that people are getting it wrong "because they are naive to the situation" and don't know that BLM is protesting an inequality is dubious at best. I just don't think it's the case. There is no widespread misunderstanding of the message that needs fixing, those who don't like hearing BLM simply have a problem with the statement full stop, and the supposed "misunderstanding" is a strawman,for the mostpart.

In my opinion adding "... too" is not a simple solution at all. It makes the statement sound like a whine and dilutes it's impact. It takes the power out of it. Definitely not worth it for the (very few) who might be failing to understand the message.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8795219)

I don't believe that the majority of people who respond with "alllivesmatter" were actually confused at all

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8795236)

I would say that alot of people did'nt know wtf it was and just saw a group of people shouting Black Lives Matter at them and they were like 'well yeah of course,So does everyone elses'

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8795227)

"Exactly the same should apply with Black Lives Matter".

Should apply doesn't mean it does though.You actually have to research what BLM are about to understand it.
I'd say Votes for women is pretty self explanatory.
Or maybe not everybody has your intelligence to read between the lines.
Can you honestly say that the first time you heard the phrase Black Lives Matter without any context that you knew what it was about?
I did'nt.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8795242)

If anyone has to research the context of black lives matter to know what it's about then they are either children, or too politically unaware to be confidently engaging in the debate in the first place (in other words meaning they SHOULD look it up, rather than being reactionary and defensive).

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8795247)

What most people miss is that watching a video is not evidence of anything

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8795241)

I think we're never going to agree on it

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8795292)

You have to remember that it's not just non-blacks that think the BLM slogan is controversial and a bad slogan.There are many many black people saying it too.Ones who are obvs not involved with the group and who are against them for their behaviour,racism and extreme views.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8795275)

Watching a video is not but seeing repeated and similar incidents of something happening, and the majority of them coming from the same country, is enough to form a "bigger picture" view. This is a running issue for you LT... A (mistaken) impression that social opinion is (or should be) forged in a court of law.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8795313)

No, its a mistaken social opinion that is based on a fact that good police videos do not exist as a medium generally but apparent bad ones do and thus young people think that "omg the police are awful"

Its no surprise that this has become an issue with the rose of social media


People are demonstrating and killing innocent people based on videos with zero context or recourse from one side

despicable

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8795244)

The people who scream 'all lives matter' are the same idiots who ask 'where's straight pride?!?!' or 'when's black history month?!'

They just miss the point completely

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8795402)

The chief of police in Dallas says they used a bomb on a robot to kill one of the snipers

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8795623)

Are you saying that all lives don't matter?

I'm so tired of this sectioning off of society... All lives matter, black, white, male, female, gay, straight, Jew, gentile, Muslim, transgender.... ALL lives.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8795640)

No, and nobody who is a part of the Black Lives Matter movement is saying that all lives don't matter either. Rather they are saying that black people's lives do.

It is such a simple concept for people to get their head around. There is a massive issue in the US with black men and women disproportionately being killed at the hands of police officers. It has to stop. The movement is campaigning for acknowledgement that this is an issue, and that the lives of the black people who are being killed in these incidents matter just as much as a white person's or anyone else's and that they must not be ignored.

It is not a competition, it is not a 'our lives are more important than yours!', it's a 'our lives are just as important as yours!'. Nothing more, noting less

These same idiots who scream the obvious 'all lives matter' statement miss the concept completely, in much the same way they don't understand why straight pride doesn't need to be a thing and nor does white history month. These movements are about the recognition of oppressed minorities, not a chance for them to say they're better than anyone else. Just that they are the same.

It's very straightforward.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8795646)

Its not its based on a crooked premis that police officers dont care about black people. There is scant evidence for this.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8795648)

You are trying way too hard LT, I have no idea why people buy into what you say but hey

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8795656)

I am sorry that you seem to find it difficult to believe that you may be wrong about things

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8795671)

Nope, just that obvious baiting is obvious :joker:

No sane person denies this is an issue so that's why it's BS, sorry LT but your faux defence of the police anytime there's a negative thread about them doesn't wash with me

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8795929)

i stick with evidence and fact not mass hysteria and mob justice

If you cant deal with that , tough