People can 'see' the same thing but perceptions can be different- to suggest that others 'must be blind' if they don't perceive things in the same way as you do is unfair. It implies that only your opinion can be right, which is not the case, and it is also belittling of other forum members as it implies there is something wrong with them if their view differs from yours.

Too much needless insulting of others from too many people on here just because they have a less positive view of Jason, which is ironic when the forum is designed to allow people to discuss different views! Wouldn't be much of a discussion if everyone mindlessly agreed with one point of view!

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He does play the self-righteous game too much for my liking.

He might be a decent guy, but **** like "I've laid my life on the line for you guys" is just really corny and not to mention desperate.

At last! Thank you, Maru! :clap1: Someone who has been able to stand outside and present a more balanced and reasoned view of the situation, rather than just mindless support or criticism. Relationships and people are much more complex than the black or white interpretations presented here by some.

I know that you're being sarcastic, but I would love someone to do some sort of research on people's tastes on TV Shows being linked with their sexuality or not?

Agreed! And this is his biggest problem, not Charlie! (And, before anyone dismisses my view by implying any differently, I don't fancy Charlie and was not a massive Charlie fan.)

Ok the way I see it is that he had a great relationship with the girls before Charlie went in and tried to continue it but she was jealous. Evelyn is 20 years old, yes an adult but still not as wordly wise as a lot of the housemates. She and Jason were close she even got into trouble with Charlie for stating that she didn't want Jason hurt if Charlie was going to be fake or something along those lines.
Suddenly Evelyn has felt that Jason has completely distanced himself from her, he hardly even talks to her and their most major conversation in the past week was when he got completely STUCK in her over the rule break even after she apologising and saying she didn't realise it was breaking the rules. He kept on and on at her.

Evelyn has seen two sides to Jason but the bigger side she has seen is this distancing from her he did. I think Jason should have been man enough to explain to her and Laura that he was going to stay away from them as Charlie was giving him grief instead of lea ving them both feeling that he was a game player. I am not SURE if what he told Evelyn tonight is strictly true. But if it is HE should have explained it to them. When he EVENTUALLY did Evelyn rushed to hug him as she must have been wondering what she did or said that made him distance himself. Lauras hug was very half hearted

I don't fancy Charlie either.

I thought that she had more of a gay guy fan base tbh if we're judging on a generalisation.

Ugh, I've just been compared to Alex D:

What an awful thing to say

..great post, Maru..:love:...I think yeah, that he used the whole Charlie thing to be seen as the 'victim' and now realises that rather than it being a positive and an 'advantage' to him, it's more been a negative...I still think that the whole thing doesn't quite sit right...he became angry that he and Charlie had been nominated because of their relationship and the effect on the house, rather than on their own merit and personality...and yet, now he's saying that them being in the house together has basically stifled him for 3 weeks...so which is it..?..if it had such a profound effect on his personality when she was in, why be so amazed that it would be a reason for nomination..?...also, it seems odd to me that Laura and Evelyn seemed so surprised when he said it..that they had lived that 'control' that Charlie apparently had over him for a large part of his time in there../that all of the housemates had..so how are they surprised at him giving that control as a reason now...they've lived it/they've breathed it also for 3 weeks../you couldn't not notice what he's describing in that confined environment...all very strange...

..:laugh:...well at least you'll have a great modelling career, me dear.../a little consolation for being so forgettable..:laugh:...

That wasn't my intention, Maru!! It was meant as a compliment as I was impressed by the points you made, and the thought you had put into them.

I'm hoping you're an Alex fan, now that you've said that!! :unsure:

So many people have said for weeks that Jason was holding back because of Charlie and now he has confirmed that, so many people,maybe even the same people, are saying that it's not true.

Jason done well last night - I even included that in my poem I done today. but he has to now come out fighting and keep it up.

i don't know if it's because they're shallow as puddles with the ability to think beyond themselves comparable to a dust mote, or they're playing uber thick just to have the excuse for their reason to target him. i'm hoping for the second but expect the first.
dear lord, she was like a flaming hawk!

he did what most decent people would do in that situation - not make a huge fuss, not cause dramas, but quietly step back in order to cause as little upset to the house AND charlie whilst trying to prevent his own head from exploding because he knows what's she's capable of. it's testimony to his strength of character that he didn't shout and scream in her face when she just wouldn't leave him alone.

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you're asking a lot there :hehe:

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I agree 100%. Laura and Evelyn had their reasons I'm sure but as a viewer I'm also curious why they had never approached him about it. That to me is weird as they seemed somewhat close to him prior to her entering the house.

Co-dependencies usually don't make much sense to those outside of them and it feels awkward to be around people who are like that. Other relationships usually suffer at it's expense and a lot more time and energy is devoted to "caring" or "protecting" the needy one. There are emotional rewards, usually relating to self-esteem, for both parties staying in the relationship even it is toxic and is isolating them and controlling their behavior around other loved ones.

By time the relationship ends, there is a lot resentment and both parties claiming to be the victim. Yet they still feel somewhat "tied down" by the other person because they haven't yet acknowledged their (dysfunctional) role in it and relinquished it.

Even though the relationship has ended, the original roles still continue and are reinforced until someone breaks the cycle to accept responsibility for their part in it and can not only leave it physically but emotionally. If they do the walking part without having that self-realization, they will just resume where they started when they come back into contact. It's like they'd never been apart.

Oh well then that explains Alex's gameplay then... don't speak because he doesn't have the voice to match the body :laugh:... unless it's for a Unisom commercial... then he's perfect! :laugh:

:laugh: Was just joking. Don't kill me

I just don't see how Jason's positive traits have to come at the expense of Charlie's and vice versa. She's been evicted almost a week now and she isn't even present in the house to defend herself. Easy to guess that won't look good to a lot of people, especially people who were voting to keep her in.

I agree...she needs to love herself first but she deserves to find happiness just like everyone. She was a nightmare but I doubt that it's either herself or Jason that's made her that way.