A lot of questions to answer here Ruth?

I don't have too much time today, so I shall have to be a little brief.

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Jade said sorry, for her children and she realised that she had offended some people and wanted to make things right.
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I agree that Danielle was slightly apologetic & Jo wasn't so. It did mess Jo up & I agree with you.
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Jade obviously looked concerned, after she went into the Diary Room and Big Brother mentioned their concerns. She apologised to Shilpa immediately. Jade is owning up to her mistakes and not messing about either.
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Shilpa chose not to complain, probably because, Shilpa is a nice natured person and although she was disgusted with Jade, Jo and Danielles behavior, she didn't want to be known as a troublemaker to offensive remarks on an edited show
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I didn't want Shilpa to win either. Also, people don't have to trust Shilpa's judgement & choices of decisions. But many do and that is the "tough" part of my previous comment.
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The (part-time-racist) comment, is basically a way of explaining people who for 99% of the time, will treat people equally, however, if they meet someone who is Asian or Black or whatever, if they were assaulted by someone of that category, or slaggged off in a major way, an odd word or phrase may slip out in a moment of anger. I would say that it is better to do that, than assault someone physically.

Part 2 of your question, Is Jade Goody a part time racist?

The answer:- Only Jade herself would know that.

But, for many watching the edited footage, they may believe that those offensive words and comments, with possible racial-over-tones could convince certain people that she is.

Hardly enough to go on, really!!!
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If you say something in anger, or a moment of rage.

Then, we all can slip up.
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Nobody can experience racism, unless they have had racial abuse hurled at them.

But, if you are an English white woman? Then, would it be the same way?
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Jade and Jo and Danielle didn't like Shilpa. That is it!!

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Regarding the restraint part and the over-the-top part.

Some was over-the-top and the way the girls handled some of the situations were more restraint.

It is more of an educated assumption than a fact! so it is just a debate on that score, Ruth...
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Jade was remorseful. She does care and I can look a the various interviews and see how well she makes us understand the truth, which comes from her own lips.

I agree with that and even though Jade and Jo and Danielle said stuff.

Many was over-the-top and if Jade hadn't apologised, I would be angry too.

But Jade did and I feel that people should accept it and also, many should think the worse, but don't dwell on it and let her get her life back on track and get back to good-old-Jade, that many did love.

Jade Goody said many things which offended people.

This is very true. I won't defend Jade for being right on hurting many people's feelings. She did hurt people's feelings and she did this without realising.

This is because, she has been a housemate twice before and also acted in the same way before.

Jade Goody is a name which we all know and many love.

She and anyone else can only assume that people like Jade Goody for being this way. Why would she be liked for acting nice on reality shows, when, she doesn't act nice and people love her and spend money on her products.

This kind of contradicts what some people say, when her apparent bullyish nature is all there for us to see?

If people hate that nature that we see, then, why is she so popular.

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If Jade was a racist? Then, she wouldn't want to pose in a "sari" in an Indian magazine.

If Jade made a silly comment about confusion over ethnic origin, it is just an easy mistake to make.

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My view of Jade Goody is not limited. It is better than you think and I know why, but choose not to say.

Jade will only know herself, what she is really like.

What you see on this year's C. Big Brother, is no worse than before. The only difference was the colour of skin of the victim.

Yep, she wanted to make things right - for herself.

You are a master at not actually answering the questions that people ask you. You go on and on and on about debate, but actually you are not debating one bit. You are absolutely refusing to even take any notice of anything that anyone says who doesn't agree with you.

Regarding Jade's apology. So we agree that it was only after Jade had been warned by BB of how her behaviour was being perceived that she apologised. She clearly didn't care one iota for Shilpa's feelings before they warned her. Why would she suddenly care afterwards? She apologised because she thought people would think badly of her, and she was worried about herself. That was utterly transparent, unless of course you refused to see it.

So now you are saying that Shilpa was disgusted by Jade, Jo and Danielle's behaviour. And you are saying that she didn't complain because she didn't want to be a trouble maker. Yet earlier, you said that she didn't complain because there was nothing to complain about. If you are right that she didn't want to cause trouble then that says plenty about Shilpa's nature. It does not for one second suggest that Jade and co did nothing wrong.

So, I could say 'tough' then about the fact that you seem to trust Jade's judgement and choices and decisions. In fact, you not only seem to trust them, but to defend them fiercely.

Riiiiight. I must have missed the bits where Shilpa assaulted Jade, Jo or Danielle or slagged them off in a major way then. But you know what? Even if Shilpa had behaved like a complete and utter bitch in that house, it would still not justify the racial remarks they made. If someone treats you badly (and I don't remember Shilpa actually treating any of them badly), you have every right to be angry at them. Still doesn't make it right to make racist comments to them or about them.

Okay - I don't actually remember asking that, but the point is - there is no such thing as a part time racist. Would you say someone is a part time vegetarian if they ate no meat all week, but ate a bacon sandwich every Sunday?

Oh yes, the editing. We all know BB is edited. But they didn't put those words into her mouth did they? She said them. And those offensive words and comments were what made people think she is a racist - not the editing.

Yes - some of us slip up and let out our true feelings about other colours or other races.

Not sure what you are asking. Are you saying that white people cannot experience racism? What planet are you living on?

No, it isn't it. Not liking someone is one thing. Making racist comments about them is another thing entirely.

In which situations did they show restraint? What 'situations' are you referring to? What did Shilpa ever do to them that would make them have to show restraint?

I can look at those interviews as well. I see something quite different to you.

Yeah....she probably didn't realise how mouthing off and calling someone names could possibly be seen as being nasty.:rolleyes:

And many don't love. Her behaviour before made just as many people dislike her as like her.

Do you remember BB3? She was hated. She managed to turn it around before the end, but she behaved horribly in the house. It appears that she has not learnt any lessons.

Erm...last time I looked, she really wasn't popular at all.

Surely you can't be that naive? Her posing in a Sari was a rather obscene and pathetic way of trying to prove that she wasn't a racist. Unfortunately, she had already proved that she is.

Oh this is getting old now. You expect us all to believe every word you say and refuse to give any reason why we should do.

Ruth I wouldnt worry to much about people who wont put their money where their mouth is. Cloak and dagger usually means "I know nothing"

Wearing a Sari now means Jade cant possibly be racist, now that one really did make me laugh. It was another feeble attempt to gain publicity and to try and weedle her way back into the publics affections.

You say, Ruth, that Jade wanted to make things right for herself?

Jade Goody has two children. Also, she has worked out, that, many people were offended and danger could & probably would follow. So, I would imagine that, her children's safety would be paramount on her mind!

A decent mother would agree on that! But you can keep on saying it is selfish-Jade time, if you want?
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I saw on Celebrity Big Brother quite well, regarding Jade Goody's sudden apology to Shilpa Shetty, after visiting the Diary Room. I have got eyes!

Also, I have a brain and can work out quite easily, that the show gets edited.

Jade left the diary room.

Next minute, she talks to Shilpa outside.

WoW Wee, so quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would, more than believe that, maybe there was more to this than meets the eye. Jade may have had this discussion with Shilpa, a bit later. But, that hardly puts Jade Goody in the clear. So, what about the Diary Room.

Did we see the whole conversation?

Did we see the whole Shilpa/Jade conversation?

Maybe there was a lot more to see, but we didn't see or know about it.

Jade Goody may have been under pressure, that is true!
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I said that Shilpa did'nt complain, as there was nothing to complain about. This is quite evident.

At the time that Shilpa was in the BB house, she can only judge from what she saw and heard.

She heard no racial-over-tones.

Anything which may had appeared like that, wasn't.

But anyway, Jade had said nothing which Shilpa had heard, except abuse in an argument and odd dirty looks from the three girls, which was mostly about the chicken & the oxo cube incident. Plus, perhaps they felt patronised by her.

Later, when Shilpa left the BB house, she wouldhave learnt quickly about the hidden comments, which we all saw, but Shilpa didn't at that time.

At that point, Shilpa could have proceeded to a complaint.

However, she didn't. It is likely that she doesn't want to be known as a trouble-maker and many would assume that Shilpa was offended by abusive remarks, we only have the newspapers to go by.

Not Enough for me! sorry Ruth!

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The "Tough" comment is targeted at Jade-Haters, who don't like her, because of what they saw in January.

Her success is very evident.

If Jade's bullyish nature is so bad to you today, then, why has she been so successful.

I would say it is the racial angle which makes you and others brings Jade's past behavior to light.

That is the part, before you assume that she is a racist.

Funny that?

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I do defend Jade fiercely! Other's choose not to.

Some defend Jo, A massive bunch support Shilpa, and so on..

What's the point Ruth?

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Shilpa never assaulted anybody or was abusive in a major way.

I never said that.

What I did say about the Part-time-racist's, is, that anyone who does get assaulted or really slaggged off, could say a racial comment in a moment of madness.

Hence, the (Part-Time) angle.

Jade, Danielle & Jo are not racist people. If they are Part-Time, then, only they know this and would not say.

Oh Yeah! Just to re-clarify things, The C.P.S have dropped the charge and all comments were only offensive words and phrases.

I work the rest out quite easy.

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Your comparison to vegatables is rather separate to the subject of Part-Time-Racists.

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Editing can easily make people believe that offensive remarks could be made to look worse.

The words that were used, did make many people think that they may have racial-over-tones?

Jade has admitted this and is very sorry for her part in all of this.

It is true, that what Jade said is exactly what we all saw and heard, but we don't know the whole story.

Shilpa could have started this off by patronising them or saying a nasty comment, which we never saw.

It is like the saying goes, "Big things, start from little things"

Jade gets angry, very easily.
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In a fit of anger, we can say things, which we don't mean!

That is what I said earlier.

What you said, Ruth, is, that when you are angry, you give out your true feelings.

Not always the case I'm afraid.

So the girls have to be racist, because you think this, as they lost their temper. what Rubbish!!!

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Your racism comment, whereby you say that white people can't experience racism.

Okay, let's put it to the test........

An Asian man calls me a "White Idiot", okay.

Firstly, the word, "White" doesn't offend me!, it is just the "Idiot" part which may offend slightly.

If I reported it, nothing would happen. Trust me!

Now, If I reverse that and said a comment about an Asian man, using the word "Idiot" and "Asian" in the same sentance, then it is different, viewed different politically..

Why do I say, "politically?"

Well, I don't make the laws and I don't speak for the masses and I don't make the rules and fairness doesn't matter anymore. I don't need to go on any further. Otherwise, I know what you will say..... Oh yes, I'm on planet earth Ruth.
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Jade, Danielle & Jo didn't click with Shilpa.

Comments may have sounded like they had racial-over-tones.

But we still can't stick the word, (racist) to any of the girls.

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My "restraint" comment, is hard to work out and even debate about Ruth. It is hard to make assumptions of how far all four of them would have gone in a Pub, let's say.

Due to cameras, many of them, restraint is quite easy to work out.

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Well, I expect you will pick more holes in these answers and even though yourself and others may disagree?

At least I make the time to reply, with more than a one line response which would only show that I am not bothered either way. Which you can see I am bothered.

My long response just proves that I am stating the facts, much more clearly than most.

Jade can quite easily be nasty on a reality show. This is what she has done before and we know this.

Many of the time, she calls people a Liar and a Fake.

Can you find any instance where Jade Goody was wrong to call someone a Liar?

Even Jo O'Meara agreed this time, during the argument.

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You are right Ruth, when you say that Jade's behavior here and now has offended people and disgusted people as well as many who find it quite funny too and love Jade too.

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The BB3 show, is what made Jade Goody into a multimillionairess which she is today.

What's your point Ruth??

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Last time you looked Ruth, Jade wasn't very popular.

I know this and I watched CBB in January and today, I am talking and defending her, because of her recent unpopularity and also, making a few realise that there is more to Jade.

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Jade Goody wearing a Sari, is probably just a quick idea of Jade, to try and further make a few people believe that she is not a racist person.

Don't assume that Jade should just give in..

She is not giving in and the evidence is there to see.

She naturally will make gestures which are nice. Many were mistakingly offended and she naturally would like things to go back to normal.

Nothing wrong there!!

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I am defending Jade on a forum which has Jade's name all over the place. What is so wrong with Jade Goody?

She's a household name.

Someone who is famous for just being herself, without all that "Class" stuff. She's not upper class or pretty. So what!

If I am defending Jade, I can and I do. Just like the big Shilpa Shetty fanbase.

Jade doesn't have a big fanbase on here and that is evident.

Who I am is neither-here-nor-there.

I don't pretend to be anything. I don't need to say anything about who I am and for those who keep asking and wondering, it is laughable.:cheer2:

What are you basing this "fact" on?

When was the last time an Asian person called you a "white idiot"

I have been called a white piece of **** by a group of Asians. Yes, it was racist. Did it bother me? No. I just laughed at how pathetic they were. I pointed out to them the irony of them doing what they were doing but it was lost on them as, like most racists, they were ignorant. Of course I, being white do not have a history of being discriminated against so it was very easy for me to walk away laughing. I took the power without resorting to racial insults, as i am not ignorant.

nodis, your posts are so long as they are so full of ****, not fact. Fact.

You are watching me! Ohhhhhh.

Another lie. You pretend not to be a racist.

So Jade offering to wear a Sari is not a desperate attempt to gain support and to get in the papers!, it is in fact a "generous gesture" what complete tosh! :yuk:

Yep I find Jades complete dimness funny! NOT The girl is a liability and should not be allowed outside the doors to mix with decent people who are culturally and morally aware of what is right and wrong. She wants to have a public career, ok then she had better get up to speed with what is and is not acceptable, her dimness is now wearing thin as an excuse for her terrible behaviour.

Sadly, after this recent experience in CBB Jade will have advisors who will guide her in what is best for her to do under the circumstances.

Jade Goody came into CBB in January, probably expecting arguments, That is true. But she never expected to be fighting to keep her family and herself safe.

If she wants to wear a "Sari" in a magazine and the magazine accepts, then this will happen.

Jade may try to kill two birds with one stone?

Firstly, to try and mend some offended feelings of many of the offended people, probably Indian people?

Secondly, do something which is new to her and will get her noticed for the right reasons.

There is plenty of bad publicity for Jade Goody. None of this was ever that bad before CBB Jan.

People are claiming that she is a Racist and wearing a "Sari" is in very poor taste.

People will also say, that, anybody who supports Jade Goody today, must be a racist or have a problem with Indian people and also, be a bully or get a thrill out of watching someone being bullied.

This is very wrong and very untrue.

The reason that people like Jade, is, because they just do.

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Two simple questions
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1) Can you say that Jade Goody has never played to the camera's on three reality shows, to try and get noticed?

2) Can you say that, if Jade Goody had argued and bullied a woman called "Shilpa Smith" who was a white English woman who had a broad Birmingham accent, would an outrage have occured on the same magnitude?

But she didn't, she used racially motivated insults about an asian woman, not suprised you defend her though, you have had plecty to say about immigrants coming over here, being treated better than "white english", and having the law on their side

http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php...efits.JPG.html

You have gone too far (spacebandit) :nono:

I have reported your post and your threatening UTU's too.

You offer nothing in the terms of a useful debate and enjoy your made-up libel against another forum member.

It is against the rules of the forum and is causing the Admins & Moderators to keep locking topics.

You are the cause, by your own sickening paranoia..

Your so called evidence is made-up rubbish!!

If you don't like Jade Goody, then, you're just going to have to accept that she exists.

^you're the reason why all the other topics got closed....not sure WTH you're talking about....

I just do not understand why she needs to wear a sari. What is that going to achieve? Can anyone answer me that?

^lol, i'm not too sure Bazg....maybe she felt by wearing a sari she’s embracing herself to Indians and Indian culture and to try and prove she’s not racist…quite lame if you ask me...

I agree. It's like, if she wears a sari, she will be seen in a different light by joe public.

"People will also say, that, anybody who supports Jade Goody today, must be a racist or have a problem with Indian people"

No, people will say racists are racists.

With regards to the screen grab. You posted it, and many others like it. Have the balls to stand by what you belive. The fact that you deny that you posted it and you are trying to distance yourself from it means you know what you posted was wrong. That's a start. All you need to do now is say sorry for spouting your racist view.

Edited by Sunny_01 - just trying to keep the peace here

We are debating on a forum called (thisisbigbrother.com)

Why don't you stick to the debate and stop trying to create havoc. If you have a disagreement with what is said here or about CBB Jan. Then maybe people could debate with you? But instead, you, (Dr43%er) & (space-bandit) can't stop with the lies.

Why don't you pick a web-page, copy it to that Image-Hosting site, then, copy it from there, edit it, then delete the original and then place your re-edited version back there. Then, try to look at the (post number) reading "007" next to that user, "apparently myself??" then look at the date of my joining and then the date of posting that post. (You say I only posted 6 posts before saying all of that in the space of 31 days??) Then you have that Google evidence? when did that take place?? Grow up and smell the coffee. If you're going to do a fit-up job, do it properly and try not to make your lies so transparent!! or Deluded!!

Maybe a moderator could act on this and remove both your posts today 18/03/07 & last night too, so we can all debate properly?

I like to debate about Big Brother, not deal with disgruntal trouble-making forum members from a now defunct site.

If Jade Goody was saying this to you? She may not be so tactful.

LOL. I didn't put the screen grab up. I know you said those things. That's good enough for me.

Nodis, you need some new galsses mate. Have another look at the post number again. It is not "007" But 887.

No one is saying you only posted 6 times in 31 days.

It says 887 now.

Earlier it said 007 I am not blind and I brought the image closer too.

I wished I had copied it now! There again, you could always say I changed it?

Maybe I should get a friend to alter that image and make it look like you are a racist?

But there again, I am not a liar or a fake, so I wouldn't do that.

Why don't you keep this up on every post Dr43%er & spacebandit. Keep going on about it continuously and see how these topics end up. You have a free pass to disaster.

Maybe you might find yourselves more unpopular than you think?:cloud:

Anything could help Jade Goody in this situation. She will naturally have many ideas and some of these ideas may look so much like a set-up, that she wished she never did it.

This "Sari" thing is a bit over the top and I would assume that her next idea will be a better one than this one.

But she is trying hard.:kiss:

Click on this:-
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d=56090&page=6

Scroll down 8 posts

Then we know how you picture Jade Goody...

I must be the same in your eyes...YES?? :cloud: