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06-01-2017 06:40 PM |
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Originally Posted by Lstan
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I didnt say they were not sifficient i said i couldnt view them at the time twice because of my comp (for some reason this notebook doesnt like youtube, go figure) so unfortunately could not view your non-text posts and when i looked it up on google all i got were conspiracy sites (which, to be fair are also really interesting!!!) but am gonna try find some text posts on this topic because its all very interesting...well to me at least! :hee:
Thank you for this info, thats very interesting, and a lil freaky.
I guess all the info i got about scientology were from those tv docs where its seems like a crackpot cult which is hiding some wierd secret...made me think of aliens for some reason lol. This stuff runs deeper than i realised now i see why people think they are illuminati.:o
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Here are a few articles from VERY reputable sources... With the NOI and Scientology you have to remember that everything in Scientology is heavily copyrighted and they adamantly defend these copyrights. This isn't just a matter of Louis Farrakhan waking up one day and deciding to adopt Scientology or Dianetic ideals in to his system of beliefs. That and the doctrine of KSW would not allow Scientology "tech" to be mismanaged. In fact Scientology calls anyone practicing Scientology outside of the organized church a "squirrel" and these people are often harassed and/or sued in to submission. So before NOI could even think about adopting Scientology teachings EVERYTHING would have had to be heavily negotiated and prices set and from what I understand is that Louis Farrakhan essentially sold NOI to Scientology.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/sci...arable-6662224
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Scientology and the Nation of Islam: A Heartwarming Independence Weekend Parable
There's nothing like the Fourth of July weekend to amp up our pursuit of happiness and help us reflect on what this country stands for: freedom, baby!
Of course, having our great freedoms of conscience and speech means that some folks are going to do some pretty freaky things with their time, money, and independence!
For example, we've been watching warily as members of the Nation of Islam are spending their spare time with e-meters, engrams, and the writings of L. Ron Hubbard.
Holy Doctrinal Mashup, Batman!
Over the last few years, Nation of Islam leader Minister Louis Farrakhan has been encouraging his members to read Hubbard's book Dianetics, and even to get enough training in Scientology to become auditors.
As quite a few have noted, Farrakhan and the so-white-he-glows Hubbard seem an extremely unlikely pairing. But then, both ascribe to pretty outlandish theories of where people come from (look it up, I'm not getting bogged down in that here), and both also are loonier than fruitcakes.
To take an example, we stumbled across this first-person testimonial by a man who calls himself Brother Jesse Muhammad, a member of Houston's Mosque No. 45.
In April, Brother Jesse described his introduction to, and training in Scientology at the website of Houston's major daily paper, the Houston Chronicle. (Um, really? Yes, really. Hard to imagine something similar at the website of the New York Times, I have to say.)
In "My First Experience with Scientology," Brother Jesse writes that just hearing that Farrakhan was encouraging members to look into Hubbard's writing was enough for him.
I have been a student under the leadership of Minister Farrakhan for sixteen years now, and he has yet to lead me astray. Whenever he has brought something to us it has always been of great benefit to us as individuals, our families, our entire NOI membership, our people and humanity. I had no doubt he had seen something valuable in Dianetics and I was eager to find out what it was!
Brother Jesse got himself a copy of Dianetics and devoured it eagerly. He couldn't help but notice that there was a lot of negative stuff about Scientology on the Internet but he didn't let it bother him. "As a member of the Nation of Islam, I'm used to that," he writes.
Also, he wasn't about to leave one faith for another:
I wasn't planning to leave the Nation of Islam and become a follower or worshipper of L. Ron Hubbard nor was I trying to become a "deep" scientologist. Rather, I was eager to learn something of value that may assist me in my development as a student in the classroom of Allah (God). I have read many books written by people with a mental "filtering system" in place that I may extract that which is of value.
Brother Jesse then learned how Scientology's auditing process works. It's a talking cure, and remarkably like the psychotherapy that Scientology demonizes, but hey, folks get stuff off their chests and tend to feel better. Hallelujah!
Brother Jesse writes that he was determined to qualify as an auditor and he did. It earned him a handshake from Farrakhan.
Janet Reitman, in her new book, Inside Scientology, writes that the late Isaac Hayes, a longtime Scientologist, had encouraged Scientology leader David Miscavige to lower the church's notoriously high prices in order to attract more African-American members. But was an influx of Nation of Islam members what Hayes had in mind?
Anyway, enjoy your beer and barbecue this weekend, and pursue your happiness in all the freaky ways you want. Some members of NOI certainly are!
tortega@villagevoice.com | @VoiceTonyO
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http://tonyortega.org/2012/10/27/the...or-armageddon/
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The Scientology-Nation of Islam Alliance: Sideshow or Armageddon?
For several years now some of us in the press have been bringing up the strange relationship that has grown up between Scientology and the Nation of Islam. Most recently, Eliza Gray did a wonderful job looking at Louis Farrakhan’s embrace of L. Ron Hubbard in The New Republic.
It’s been fascinating to watch Farrakhan explain in videotaped lectures how he’s managed to fall under the spell of the whitest man who ever lived. And it’s true that he’s asked many of his followers to get trained in Dianetics and to get training as auditors. But on this Saturday, we’d like to open up the blog for discussion of a question we have about this strange relationship between such unusual groups.
For whatever reason, Farrakhan has decided to embrace the ideas in Hubbard’s books, and to make sure a large number of his followers get trained in order to benefit the Nation of Islam. But we wonder, is there really all that much cross-pollination going on in the other direction? What we mean is, are these NOI members actually becoming active members of the Church of Scientology and gaining positions of authority in it under David Miscavige?
Tell us what you think: is the Nation of Islam embrace of L. Ron Hubbard just a weird sideshow, or is Miscavige really allowing Scientology to tie its destiny to Farrakhan?
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Also if you want to know more about Illuminati style tactics of Scientology read up on The Office of Special Affairs (OSA) which is basically the cults spying and espionage agency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Affairs
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Garry Scarff has said that he used to be an OSA operative. He has made a number of statements about the inner workings of OSA, many of which are disputed by the Church. In a sworn deposition taken between July and August 1993 and submitted in Church of Scientology International vs. Steven Fishman and Uwe Geertz, Scarff testified, "...I was directed, one, to go to Chicago, Illinois and to murder Cynthia Kisser, Cynthia Kisser being the Executive Director of the Cult Awareness Network, by a staged car accident." Kisser was not killed, and Scarff said: "I could not bring myself to harm or kill anybody."
Tory Christman, a former volunteer for OSA has stated that the organization hired private investigators, fabricated criminal charges and harassed their targets, including at their place of employment, as well as their family members.
Bonnie Woods, a former member who began counselling people involved with Scientology and their families, became a target along with her husband in 1993 when the Church of Scientology started a leaflet operation denouncing her as a "hate campaigner" with demonstrators outside their home and around East Grinstead. She and her family were followed by a private investigator, and a creditor of theirs was located and provided free legal assistance to sue them into bankruptcy. After a long battle of libel suits, in 1999 the church agreed to issue an apology and pay £55,000 damages and £100,000 costs to the Woods.
Nancy Many was a high-level GO operative during Operation Freakout, and in a 2013 television interview for Dangerous Persuasions on the Discovery Channel, described intimate details of the operation to harass Paulette Cooper, including her own personal involvement. In the documentary she also explicitly confirmed the existence of "The Messianic Program", a GO interrogation program designed specifically to test the subjects reaction to the teaching that L. Ron Hubbard was "on level with Jesus and Buddha". This program was only ever administered to trusted GO agents by their superiors, and never to outside Scientologists, indicating its extremely classified nature.
Among the targets of OSA operations are Free Zone groups.
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