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Tom4784 15-03-2017 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9250691)
Whatever.

It's generally good practice to only bring up articles and proof if you actually have them on hand to qualify what you are saying.

Withano 15-03-2017 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9250373)

It was a legitimate article from a credible source. Apparently there has been criticism of the type of questions asked and the backgrounds of the target group i.e. Turkish and Moroccan Muslims but I don't personally believe that would have made a Hugh difference to the outcome.
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The independent statistical analysis made by the man who wrote the publication determined that the questions was unreliable. All of his interpretations are based from an unreliable survey and he acknowledges this. The article you provided in your original post does not.

The article you used was not legitimate. There were countless issues in the researchers method. your article made zero references with any of the many flaws in the publication. It was a biased article by somebody with a similar mindset to you. This person completely skirted arounf the facts of the publication to further his mindset.

I have never heard of the website before, I can take your word for its reputation. This individual article, however, horse****. Undeniably.

Brillopad 15-03-2017 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9250853)
The independent statistical analysis made by the man who wrote the publication determined that the questions was unreliable. All of his interpretations are based from an unreliable survey and he acknowledges this. The article you provided in your original post does not.

The article you used was not legitimate. There were countless issues in the researchers method. your article made zero references with any of the many flaws in the publication. It was a biased article by somebody with a similar mindset to you. This person completely skirted arounf the facts of the publication to further his mindset.

I have never heard of the website before, I can take your word for its reputation. This individual article, however, horse****. Undeniably.

Yeah think you pretty much said this about twice already - what is this Groundhog Day or something or do you just like the sound of your own words. :nono:

Withano 15-03-2017 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9250897)
Yeah think you pretty much said this about twice already - what is this Groundhog Day or something or do you just like the sound of your own words. :nono:

You continued to suggest it was a legitimate article. It was only natural to presume you still didnt understand what you misunderstood every other time.

Kizzy 15-03-2017 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9250366)
I personally don't really care about nitpicking over whether it's 'cultural' or 'religious'. I'm more concerned that's it's barbaric, horrific, agonising, and life changing.

It isn't nitpicking the two are worlds apart, but if you don't care then that's your prerogative.

Kizzy 15-03-2017 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9250643)
...That kind of sounds like it would be about something else Kizzy :laugh:

Fear of people with their heads stuck up their arses? :laugh: In which case I'm afflicted :hehe:

Brillopad 15-03-2017 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9250902)
You continued to suggest it was a legitimate article. It was only natural to presume you still didnt understand what you misunderstood every other time.

I certainly don't misunderstand you. Toddle along now.

Niamh. 21-03-2017 10:03 AM

I saw this today and it made me think of this thread, it's from a magazine from 1889, looks like we were the Muslims of that era :worry: Look at that evil leprechaun :laugh:

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...0c&oe=5967009C

https://herb.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/642

user104658 21-03-2017 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9256938)
I saw this today and it made me think of this thread, it's from a magazine from 1889, looks like we were the Muslims of that era :worry: Look at that evil leprechaun :laugh:

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...0c&oe=5967009C

https://herb.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/642


I mean being totally honest, that does look like most Irish people I've met...

Brillopad 21-03-2017 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9256938)
I saw this today and it made me think of this thread, it's from a magazine from 1889, looks like we were the Muslims of that era :worry: Look at that evil leprechaun :laugh:

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...0c&oe=5967009C

https://herb.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/642

Niamh, are you calling everyone with concerns about mass immigration 'evil leprechauns'? Tad OTT don't you think!!! :shrug:

Niamh. 21-03-2017 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9256950)
Niamh, are you calling everyone with concerns about mass immigration 'evil leprechauns'? Tad OTT don't you think!!! :shrug:

umm no, I was posting this as it shows how the Irish immigrants were viewed in 1889, it reminded me of how Muslims are viewed in the States now

Livia 21-03-2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9256953)
umm no, I was posting this as it shows how the Irish immigrants were viewed in 1889, it reminded me of how Muslims are viewed in the States now

Well... back the the irish weren't waging war on the west, so I think it is a little different.

Niamh. 21-03-2017 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9256958)
Well... back the the irish weren't waging war on the west, so I think it is a little different.

Was there even a West back then?

Livia 21-03-2017 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9256960)
Was there even a West back then?

Yeah, I'm thinking there was. But hey, my people have been treated like outcasts for thousands of years! It ain't so bad... come and sit here by me fellow outcast.

Niamh. 21-03-2017 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9256967)
Yeah, I'm thinking there was. But hey, my people have been treated like outcasts for thousands of years! It ain't so bad... come and sit here by me fellow outcast.

:laugh:

Wizard. 21-03-2017 11:51 AM

Surely phobia implies that this is a innate fear rather than a radicalisation? Evolution instill phobias in us to protect us from harmful things / situations.

arista 21-03-2017 12:02 PM

"It's just hysteria really. "


Yes Dezzy , dear.

user104658 21-03-2017 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Riley. (Post 9256998)
Surely phobia implies that this is a innate fear rather than a radicalisation? Evolution instill phobias in us to protect us from harmful things / situations.

It's a misnomer though; the term "phobia" is quite commonly misused these days. A phobia is an irrational fear when the truth is actually known, i.e. being afraid of something even though you, yourself, rationally know that it is not dangerous.

Things like homophobia / Islamophobia aren't accurately "phobias". Even though, objectively, the fear is irrational... for the subject, they are basing their fear on their true beliefs and often on misinformation that they, nonetheless, think is accurate... meaning that subjectively the fear is not irrational and therefore not a phobia.

Tom4784 21-03-2017 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 9257000)
"It's just hysteria really. "


Yes Dezzy , dear.

:love:

Brillopad 21-03-2017 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9257005)
It's a misnomer though; the term "phobia" is quite commonly misused these days. A phobia is an irrational fear when the truth is actually known, i.e. being afraid of something even though you, yourself, rationally know that it is not dangerous.

Things like homophobia / Islamophobia aren't accurately "phobias". Even though, objectively, the fear is irrational... for the subject, they are basing their fear on their true beliefs and often on misinformation that they, nonetheless, think is accurate... meaning that subjectively the fear is not irrational and therefore not a phobia.

So their 'fears' are purely based on misinformation that they think is accurate - that statement in itself is opinion not fact. As you have a different opinion you are not likely to say anything else.

I would say that your opinions could equally be based on a 'fear' of 'Islamophobia' based on misinformation that you think is accurate. It is very easy to turn such comments around as they are subjective and largely opinion based.

user104658 21-03-2017 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9257036)
So their 'fears' are purely based on misinformation that they think is accurate - that statement in itself is opinion not fact. As you have a different opinion you are not likely to say anything else.

I would say that your opinions could equally be based on a 'fear' of 'Islamophobia' based on misinformation that you think is accurate. It is very easy to turn such comments around as they are subjective and largely opinion based.

I said "often".

Brillopad 21-03-2017 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9250903)
It isn't nitpicking the two are worlds apart, but if you don't care then that's your prerogative.

Don' know how you can say they are worlds apart when in most cases culture and religion are intrinsically linked. Religious ideology has a significant impact on culture and one can usually be identified by the other.

Kizzy 22-03-2017 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9257160)
Don' know how you can say they are worlds apart when in most cases culture and religion are intrinsically linked. Religious ideology has a significant impact on culture and one can usually be identified by the other.

Are you suggesting civilised society can be identified by Christianity then?


:joker::joker::joker:

Brillopad 22-03-2017 06:47 AM

Any culture/religion maiming young girls in this way is repulsive. It is morally reprehensible and criminal. All this backward superstitious nonsense is what holds certain cultures/religions back and encourages dictatorships. The whole damn thing should be outlawed.

It's 2017 and many people still live in a time thousands of years ago. Why is it most cultures are able to progress but some can't. The fault is clearly with such cultures and the people with such mindsets. It cannot ever be tolerated here because of such ignorance.


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