Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252913)

You know, I do find it odd how against a Scottish Indy ref English people seem to be. I mean... You don't live here and therefore aren't affected by it directly... And APPARENTLY Scotland is nothing but a drain on UK funds being propped up by the English taxpayer... So why so against it? Why are you so bothered by it?

Is it simply because you find the notion that a large chunk of Scottish people don't want to be a part of Precious Britain offensive? Is it a "How dare you!" thing?

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9252912)

Scotland wouldn't leave if there was another Ref now. It would be better to do the vote ASAP and get it out the way.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9252912)

I don't care about Sturgeon's motives, she's a toad.

I just think that Scotland has the grounds to demand another referendum as does NI if they want to rejoin Ireland or go it alone. Like I said before, if they decide to stay then they face the carnage with the rest of us but we can't force them to stay by denying a referendum. We could very well be forcing their hand if we make them wait.

Scotland wouldn't leave if there was another Ref now. It would be better to do the vote ASAP and get it out the way then allow the embitterment and resentment to grow and cause Scotland to break away when we're in a sensitive position post brexit.

Better to go through Brexit knowing that we stand united.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9252914)

Unfortunately you have misread the situation, happy for you to have it, just don't want it to be a distraction during the Brexit it talks, better together once we don't suffer because of your antics :hehe:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252919)

Ohhh so you want to keep hold of your vassal until you can secure a better deal for yourselves, and then it doesn't matter any more, even if it's detrimental to Scotland to wait until after full Brexit to break away. Gotcha.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9252508)

The situation is completely different, the Scottish referendum was held prior to the EU Ref which pretty much showed the world that Scotland has no say in what happens in the union. The slogans that the 'in' side used 'Better Together' turned out to be 'Better as England's bitch'.

The consequences of leaving the EU were laid bare for all to see for months beforehand yet Leavers chose to make the wrong decision anyway, they deserve what they're gonna get but Scotland didn't vote to remain in the UK to have no say in what happens. I think it's very fair that they get a do-over because the situation has changed, Scotland has been thrust into uncertain waters through no choice of their own, I think NI are entitled to leave if they wish as well.

The EU situation hasn't changed, it was a bad prospect when Leave won and it's still a bad prospect now. To compare it to the Scottish Referendum is rather flawed logic because that situation has changed.

Keep trying, Cherie.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9252805)

You see, Cherie. London is a city where as Scotland is a country. Do I REALLY have to explain the differences to you between the two and why a city becoming independent is a world apart than a country?



[/The capital was shown to be monumentaly out-of-step wit the rest of Britain after largely voting Remain while the nation voted to Leave the EU.

But today the disconnect was heightened further as London's army of Bremain-backing resident called on the city's new mayor Sadiq Khan, to declare Greater London and its nine

million population an independent state.

Breakaway campaigners then want London to join Scotland in a new referendum which would allow them to re-join the EU.

So far, nearly 65,000 people have signed a petition asking Labour's Mr Khan "to declare London independent, and apply to join the EU".

It goes on to ask Mr Khan to "make the divorce official and move in with our friends on the continent".

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9252920)

I want the best deal for the UK, once that is done you can stay or you can go, it makes no odds to the majority of people south of the border

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9252928)

It doesn't change the fact that it's a city and a city seeking and gaining independence from a country is a whole other kettle of fish to a country seeking independence from a union.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252913)

You know, I do find it odd how against a Scottish Indy ref English people seem to be. I mean... You don't live here and therefore aren't affected by it directly... And APPARENTLY Scotland is nothing but a drain on UK funds being propped up by the English taxpayer... So why so against it? Why are you so bothered by it?

Is it simply because you find the notion that a large chunk of Scottish people don't want to be a part of Precious Britain offensive? Is it a "How dare you!" thing?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252929)

Why would this be of concern to anyone in Scotland who wants Scottish independence? Get your own deal on your own merits, stop exploiting other countries to prop yourself up. I know that's hard for a nation rooted in empire but still. Try.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9252940)

Your prejudice is showing again.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252931)

All the London comparisons really do is confirm that certain people in England see Scotland simply as a region of England, and not a separate country.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9252933)

But seriously, I've always thought of Scotland as part of our country, it seems bizarre to think otherwise.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252949)

Oh look, there we go.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9252953)

I can't help it that you don't think of the union as one nation, but that's more or less where we have been at for 300 years.

I've been kind of shocked by the anti English hate from apparent Scots on the net. I never thought of it as being that way.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252959)

There is no anti English hate from me. My wife is English. I am in England at this very second. I have nothing, at all, against English people.

I am against Westminster rule of Scotland and against the idea that Scotland is owned by, or part of, England. I think it is detrimental to Scotland and to Scottish people.

Read through this thread again and tell me that there isn't a strong anti-Scottish sentiment from several English members :facepalm:.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252959)

There is no anti English hate from me. My wife is English. I am in England at this very second. I have nothing, at all, against English people.

I am against Westminster rule of Scotland and against the idea that Scotland is owned by, or part of, England. I think it is detrimental to Scotland and to Scottish people.

Read through this thread again and tell me that there isn't a strong anti-Scottish sentiment from several English members :facepalm:.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252959)

There is no anti English hate from me. My wife is English. I am in England at this very second. I have nothing, at all, against English people.

I am against Westminster rule of Scotland and against the idea that Scotland is owned by, or part of, England. I think it is detrimental to Scotland and to Scottish people.

Read through this thread again and tell me that there isn't a strong anti-Scottish sentiment from several English members :facepalm:.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9252929)

Why would this be of concern to anyone in Scotland who wants Scottish independence? Get your own deal on your own merits, stop exploiting other countries to prop yourself up. I know that's hard for a nation rooted in empire but still. Try.

Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9248430)

They will just become a poor country they will have no income anywhere

Originally Posted by ebandit (Post 9248441)

...think of all the engleeesh whom
would vote the scots ooot?

Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9248567)

the EU wont give you the money the UK does.

Originally Posted by UserSince2005 (Post 9248569)

Scotland needs to go.

the English should just vote them out of the union.

It is time to trim the fat!

Originally Posted by UserSince2005 (Post 9248574)

Scotland should be given an ultimatum, leave the union or lose all sovereignty.

Hopefully that will be enough to make them leave, and we wont have to deal with them anymore.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9251810)

The scots leaving won't affect anyone tbh [emoji23]

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9251824)

do I really personally care if Scotland choose to go? Not losing any sleep over it.

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 9252682)

Scotland: too small to be its own country. Too big to be an insane asylum. :hehe:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9253028)

My apologies; most of it is on the other thread.

































I only made it about 1/4 of the way through. There's plenty of other examples that basically describe Scotland as a joke country that relies on England to survive, though. Feel free to brush up :idc:.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9253102)

In regards to the last post you quoted Scotland is a similar size to us and we're fine :idc:

Out of interest TS what does your wife think about it?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9253132)

She's even more pro-indy than I am, both this time and last time :joker:. She had a lifelong ambition to live in Scotland though. I wonder if I should start questioning her motivations for marriage :think:...