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Kizzy 03-04-2017 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9271496)
Oh,You were using selective exposure?A media trick.:laugh:

See.... I told you that media degree would come in handy for something :laugh:

DemolitionRed 03-04-2017 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9271341)
Spain shouldn't get too big for their botas then.They're just using Brexit as an excuse to gain some extra territory.

Gibraltar is another issue that wasn't raised during the referendum campaign, yet we know that Spain has been trying to get hold of it for years. The best course of action here is probably to say little, hold our nerve and wait. No need to liken it to the Falklands, no need to talk of war; it's a negotiating ploy, that's all.

DemolitionRed 04-04-2017 10:02 AM

The Truth

You know what concerns me... this ridiculous version of patriotism gone mad.

The referendum wasn’t a Labour v Conservative issue. The votes did not split down party lines. Some strong Labour areas voted to remain and some strong Labour areas voted to leave and since the vote, the Labour party leadership has remained quiet on the matter, leaving the Conservatives to argue it out between them.

Since the vote to leave, the press have completely abdicated responsibility for keeping people informed and the Labour party declines to put any weight behind Leave or Remain. All we’ve been left with is the leave campaigners jumping off the boat taking their promises of more sovereignty with them.

I made my decision but whilst I want them to push Brexit, I’m not daft enough to believe the will of 17 million leave voters are representatives of our 65 million population. It dismays me that our Parliament have become so disempowered with this ‘cast in stone’ Referendum that they can no longer consider, compromise or amend ore review critical issues.

It doesn’t take much up top to understand we no longer have a representative Parliamentary democracy. We can’t have a ‘will of the people’ without the will of Parliament.

Livia 05-04-2017 10:24 AM

Gibralter is nothing like the Falklands... unless Spain invades that British territory, and I can't see that happening. If Spain don't want to trade with us, fine. They depend on British tourism and trade far more than we depend on the Spanish.

Brillopad 05-04-2017 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9272064)
The Truth

You know what concerns me... this ridiculous version of patriotism gone mad.

The referendum wasn’t a Labour v Conservative issue. The votes did not split down party lines. Some strong Labour areas voted to remain and some strong Labour areas voted to leave and since the vote, the Labour party leadership has remained quiet on the matter, leaving the Conservatives to argue it out between them.

Since the vote to leave, the press have completely abdicated responsibility for keeping people informed and the Labour party declines to put any weight behind Leave or Remain. All we’ve been left with is the leave campaigners jumping off the boat taking their promises of more sovereignty with them.

I made my decision but whilst I want them to push Brexit, I’m not daft enough to believe the will of 17 million leave voters are representatives of our 65 million population. It dismays me that our Parliament have become so disempowered with this ‘cast in stone’ Referendum that they can no longer consider, compromise or amend ore review critical issues.

It doesn’t take much up top to understand we no longer have a representative Parliamentary democracy. We can’t have a ‘will of the people’ without the will of Parliament.

Not an unelected Parliament. An accident of birth carries no real weight and certainly no greater knowledge.

Northern Monkey 05-04-2017 11:21 AM

Boycott Spain.Everyone go to Greece and boost their economy

Livia 05-04-2017 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9272908)
Boycott Spain.Everyone go to Greece and boost their economy

I agree. I can live without a glass of Rioja every now and then.

user104658 05-04-2017 11:44 AM

"They need us more than we need them!"... The catch-all answer to any and every Brexit / Scottish Indy issue, apparently [emoji23]. Apparently Britain doesn't need anyone at all! Oh except maybe the US. And Saudi.

Tom4784 05-04-2017 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9272938)
"They need us more than we need them!"... The catch-all answer to any and every Brexit / Scottish Indy issue, apparently [emoji23]. Apparently Britain doesn't need anyone at all! Oh except maybe the US. And Saudi.

It's an ignorant sentiment that will lead us to ruin. Brexit will make us more vulnerable and reliant on others countries than we have ever been. We can't have that attitude when we're hashing out deals that will decide the course of the UK's future.

MTVN 05-04-2017 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9272938)
"They need us more than we need them!"... The catch-all answer to any and every Brexit / Scottish Indy issue, apparently [emoji23]. Apparently Britain doesn't need anyone at all! Oh except maybe the US. And Saudi.

Also the Scottish Nat view isn't it

user104658 05-04-2017 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 9272959)
Also the Scottish Nat view isn't it

No

joeysteele 05-04-2017 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9272064)
The Truth

You know what concerns me... this ridiculous version of patriotism gone mad.

The referendum wasn’t a Labour v Conservative issue. The votes did not split down party lines. Some strong Labour areas voted to remain and some strong Labour areas voted to leave and since the vote, the Labour party leadership has remained quiet on the matter, leaving the Conservatives to argue it out between them.

Since the vote to leave, the press have completely abdicated responsibility for keeping people informed and the Labour party declines to put any weight behind Leave or Remain. All we’ve been left with is the leave campaigners jumping off the boat taking their promises of more sovereignty with them.

I made my decision but whilst I want them to push Brexit, I’m not daft enough to believe the will of 17 million leave voters are representatives of our 65 million population. It dismays me that our Parliament have become so disempowered with this ‘cast in stone’ Referendum that they can no longer consider, compromise or amend ore review critical issues.

It doesn’t take much up top to understand we no longer have a representative Parliamentary democracy. We can’t have a ‘will of the people’ without the will of Parliament.

Excellent post this in my view.

DemolitionRed 05-04-2017 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9273023)
Excellent post this in my view.

Thanks Joey, though I'm sure others disagree.


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