India and Pakistan have entirely different cultures. If I had to be a woman in either, I would choose India, even thought their own record on women's rights is questionable. Anyhoo, killing a woman in Pakistan is nothing. If we made a thread every time one was murdered for being raped, or for "shaming" her family, or for some other excuse people seem to be coming up with, then we'd have no room for other threads. The simple fact is that Islam rules Pakistan, and parts of Islam are sick.

hang on a second now, we're veering off track a little bit here. These court systems aren't even legally binding, the actual legal justice system in Pakistan was the one who stopped this honor killing from happening and is protecting the girl remember?

The culture of Panchayats is there out of tradition of "elders" in villages having power over people and especially in this specific case a father abusing that power to protect his son

So why have the authorities arrested the man involved and given the girl protection?

Possibly because she had the support of her father.

They're very similar

Sharia law isn't binding in the UK and yet people can still go to sharia councils and settle disputes and even divorce.

I understand all the nitpicking but that's exactly what it is. Pakistan is an Islamic country. That means that Islam has an influence in all aspects of society, including councils.

but killing a girl is nothing there

You're mistaking me for Livia I think. :nono: Please don't ascribe someone elses words to me.

Not if you're a cow. :shrug:

My point is Pakistan is an Islamic country and India is a Hindu country and they both have these councils.....

Well if I were a Pakistani cow I would certainly be looking for refugee status in India that's for sure :laugh:

Me too.

That doesn't mean they are the same councils, run under the same rules and laws. Though both countries have terrible records with regard women, and I don't think religion in India is innocent either. People get beaten to death there for having meat in their freezer that may or may not be cow. If they are lucky enough to have a freezer.

I just posted a link a few posts back of very similar sounding punishments by some Indian councils.

England is a similar country to Ireland. And yet it's completely different.

Ok but I still showed you examples of punishments handed out by Indian councils that were very similar to this one in the OP :laugh:

And I said that I don't think India's main religion is all that great either. Though if it had been India mentioned I probably wouldn't have assumed it was related to Hinduism because it's a secular state.

However Islam is the second largest religion in India. It's not far fetched that both countries might have adopted similar customs.

The law of the Islamic country is protecting the girl but you're blaming Islam for the council "convicting" her instead of the alleged rapists father........

anyway, i feel we're going round in circles now.

Is it really? Or is it supporting her fathers complaint? What will her future be? A payment made usually and the man will go free. Will she ever be able to live back in the same village without shame and retribution? How many other girls does this happen to where they aren't supported by their fathers?

Why are you speaking to me like I agree with all this, I totally disagree with that kind of culture, all that I was pointing out was that it was a culture

And I'm trying to point out that culture and state are impossibly tangled with religion. Whether interpreted correctly or not, the religion is used as justification for systemic gender subordination.

You have failed to do that imo because you just stated that if it happened in India (and it does alot going by examples I posted a link to) you would not blame religion but here you do eventhough that list of questions you just asked me (Is it really? Or is it supporting her fathers complaint? What will her future be? A payment made usually and the man will go free. Will she ever be able to live back in the same village without shame and retribution? How many other girls does this happen to where they aren't supported by their fathers?) could just as easily be applied to India

Nit sure what you are slavering about now but can you use the word allegedly now and again please.

No I said "Though if it had been India mentioned I probably wouldn't have assumed it was related to Hinduism because it's a secular state."