Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9413949)

Bored of this now, it was weeks ago.

There's still people who were hit by floods in Cumbria two years ago, that are still out of home, thankfully they're not still barking on about that everyday on the national news.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9407391)

The cladding is the problem and its been applied illegally across the whole country in loads of councils , labour tory and others. Yes you can say the cutbacks to the public services should be discussed but would that have made a difference here to a 26 storey building with combustible cladding and one staircase and no sprinklers either?

Clearly we all know now every tower must have 2 staircases , sprinklers and none of this cladding

But to play the blame game from one party to another is a dangerous one here. I think corbyn is right to argue for more police and more firemen/women. But he and others must understand 1) How to pay for it and 2) How to reduce the insane waste of public resources across every council in the country which could also save billions

Councils and politicians simply do not work well enough together, the system is a hell of a mess, communication breakdowns everywhere, roads dug up endlessly, departments not communicating to one another, its all just so mindless...if anyone is to blame its the system itself

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9414507)

Then go start a thread for them maybe?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9414509)

The corruption is slowly eeking out, the supplier of the cladding was on the board that ensured regulations?... no not surprised.

Done on the cheap , charge a load, everyone gets a bung.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7817936.html

I hope we keep marching till the corrupt twunts leave office!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40468881

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9415146)

What's the point, when I can just post here?

It's not my problem that you don't like me criticising the national news. I'm quite happy to do it.

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9413949)

Bored of this now, it was weeks ago.

There's still people who were hit by floods in Cumbria two years ago, that are still out of home, thankfully they're not still barking on about that everyday on the national news.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9415653)

It was a terrible, terrible tradegy and every victim who survived and was an official resident in the tower should be rehoused locally in decent housing. I do however feel being given houses worth millions as a permanent home is perhaps a step too far.

Whilst Victims should also be financially compensated for loss of their belongings and the psychological suffering they have endured - being given a permanent residence of such value does feel like blood money - and I don't feel is an appropriate way to deal with such a tragedy.

As you say many other people have suffered such loses previously but this terrible incident is being used as a political tool to attack the government by many - including some of the victims and local residents in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9416417)

My problem is just with the media, and the constant coverage they give the families to tell us how angry they are, when they wouldn't give the families of the kids blown to pieces the time of day, if they were/are angry. I wonder why that is?

There's an inquiry into this, let it take it's course.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9416591)

[Amnesty for illegal Grenfell subletting

Anecdotal evidence suggests people were unlawfully subletting their properties in the tower and are reluctant to come forward.]


http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-t...javid-10934448

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9416729)

The problem is some sub letters
will not come forward
So those Deaths could remain - unknowns