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Brillopad 10-09-2017 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9614847)
Like with any religion, most muslims won't follow it to the letter. I've never known any muslims that pray five times a day and they certainly don't set out to inconvenience people with their religion.

Keep linking these articles of islamic practices and making out that every muslim follows them, it just shows how ignorant you are of the average muslim.

Whatever, but it does say that prayers are obligatory at certain times of the day and that all Muslims do this.

Tom4784 10-09-2017 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9614595)
The thing is there is a thin line between outcome and perceived outcome in my opinion, as we see on here too often, when some use the word 'racism' as a tool to exert control over the thinking/behaviour of others. The word is regularly abused due to agendas.

I believe many are blurring the lines between race and religion, either consciously or sub-consciously. They are not the sane thing. Religion is, or should be, a lifestyle choice. It isn't a physical or mental entity over which we have no control. It is a choice and choice comes with responsibility. Personal choice can and should be challenged when imposed on others.

Almost every country/culture in the world wants to preserve its heritage and way of life. Britain is no exception. You can call that 'fear' if you want to, but i feel it shows a healthy respect for what one has and their value of it. Don't we all aspire to that - to value what we have and passing that to future generations.

I am not opposed to different cultures or way of lives, just that incoming religions to a country should assimilate not dominate.

How weak willed must someone be that one word can destroy anything they say? If you believe your argument can be shut down by an accusation of racism then your argument was weak to begin with. You've accused me of plenty in the past but I've not broken down and tried to make out that you shouldn't be allowed to make those accusations, instead I've curbstomped those accusations.

You have been determined to make out that 'racism' and 'bigotry' are dirty words that are more grave than the injustices they represent because you are guilty of both. If you weren't then you wouldn't try to restrict people calling others out on it. Accusations can't shut down arguments if they are false.

As for blurring the lines between race and religion....
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...ghlight=chores

In this thread you saw a child with brown skin and two arabic sounding names and made conclusions based on that alone, you didn't know they were muslim, you just made assumptions based purely on their race.

The whole 'preserving culture' bull**** is just another attempt at vindicating your hate. You only pretend to be a feminist when you think it gives you the right to bash muslims otherwise you'll support things like the DUP deal and the 'Moggmentum' movement despite that both the party and Rees-Mogg have displayed extreme anti-women's rights views. You'll claim to hate Political Correctness yet you embrace it as long as it protects your views yet you'll go back to hating it as soon as it isn't beneficial to you. Same with Freedom of Speech, you love it when it enables you to be as racist as you like but you'll try to encroach on the rights of others who have differing opinions to you. The only thing you truly stand for is hating muslims, all these other stances you take are just (in your own mind) justifications for your bigotry.

Your last sentence continues to reveal your ignorance about muslims in general. You think they are some kind of Cybermen that will convert all in their path to their religion which just isn't indicative to the average muslim. You are a slave to your own bigotry and anything that adheres to your confirmation bias.

Tom4784 10-09-2017 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9614870)
Whatever, but it does say that prayers are obligatory at certain times of the day and that all Muslims do this.

Brillo, do you think every Christian follows the bible to the letter? Same for the Jews? Or any other religion that isn't Islam?

Most people pick and choose the parts of the religion that they believe in to follow because every holy text of every religion is basically impossible to follow fully given how often ALL religious texts contradict themselves. You like to think that all Muslims are dangerous fundamentalists because it suits your image of them but, just like any other religion, there are both fundamentalists, moderates and every variety inbetween.

To say that all muslims do anything is incredibly ignorant because not every muslim has the same level of faith or the same outlook on their religion.

Vicky. 10-09-2017 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9614870)
Whatever, but it does say that prayers are obligatory at certain times of the day and that all Muslims do this.

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All Muslims try to do this.
Though its very weird how the article presumes that they know what all Muslims would try to do :shrug: I guess a similar article about Christians would say that all Christians try to go to church every Sunday and pray everyday or something, when thats not strictly true at all. Yes strict Christians will probably do this, certainly not the majority of those who identify with the faith.

I have only ever worked with one Muslim dude. And he was only 'Muslim' as his parents pressured him. When he was away from them he ate bacon sandwiches for breakfast, drank on a weekend, smoked and never prayed (or definitely didnt make a fuss of doing so as I never noticed him doing it)

Hopefully religion overall will mostly die out as time goes on. I know many people who 'have faith' to please their parents/grandparents.

I have no doubt that some Muslim people make a fuss and expect special treatment because of their faith. But you get arseholes in all walks of life tbh. And its usually only the arseholes that get attention.

Marsh. 10-09-2017 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9614651)
Rubbish - people twist and put interpretation on things all the time- trying to label criticism of religion as racist. Total nonsence.

Well that's not what I was commenting on. That's your disagreement with another poster. I couldn't tell you if your criticism of religion had any racism about it, we don't really speak.

But racism is racism, there is no "opinion" about it. It either is or it isn't. If something or someone is discriminatory about race then it's racism. Plain and simple.

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:47 PM

Better than Daily Fail one-sided racist, sexist and homophobic drivel.

Brillopad 10-09-2017 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9615443)
Well that's not what I was commenting on. That's your disagreement with another poster. I couldn't tell you if your criticism of religion had any racism about it, we don't really speak.

But racism is racism, there is no "opinion" about it. It either is or it isn't. If something or someone is discriminatory about race then it's racism. Plain and simple.

Yes racism is racism and sexism is sexism etc, but unfortunately people often put their own interpretation on these things and the lines get blurred between racism and religion.

Kizzy 11-09-2017 12:37 PM

I think it's important not to lose sight of the differential between 'opinion' pieces and 'factual' ones ( as in there is written or statistical evidence provided)


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