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Brillopad 03-12-2017 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9720222)
So this isn't really about terrorism, its about your mythical belief that its the Muslim men who make them wear it.

Sorry mate, this has been done to death... add tedium. Nothing will change your tainted view and so I'm not going to continue this conversation with you.
No problem mate!

As to whose view is tainted is a matter of opinion!

Withano 03-12-2017 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9720236)
I was responding to a poster who seemed to be suggesting that there was a link between banning the Burkha in France and it apparently being the highest risk country in Europe for terrorist attacks.

I don’t know if that is true but rather flippantly suggested that if so it would likely be due to an act of defiance from Muslin terrorists opposed to equal rights for Muslim women and intent on trying to force France and the West to accept their backward views on women and way of life through violence and fear. As has been seen on many occasions fear and violence are clearly the weapons of choice for Muslim terrorists who refuse to integrate or accept the values and laws of the countries they forced their way into. Talk about biting the hand that feeds them. On the other hand, maybe it has more to do with numbers. If there is a larger Muslim population in France there may be a higher percentage of Muslim terrorists - I don’t know.

But I also feel that the Burkha could provide Muslim terrorists (male and female) and general criminals with the anninimity to commit terrorist attacks and criminal acts - they have after all already been used this way in Europe and the Middle-East. I have hardly plucked such a scenario out of the air. I do however think they are separate issues involving the wearing of the Burkha so don’t really see a conflict between them tbh.
"On one hand if terrorism is up in France it's because Muslim men don't like the burqa ban. But on the other hand, we should probably ban it here because it's an anonymity issue, but in conclusion I think these are separate issues" I've never used a more accurate gif in my life.

Brillopad 03-12-2017 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9720245)
"On one hand if terrorism is up in France it's because Muslim men don't like the burqa ban. But on the other hand, we should probably ban it here because it's an anonymity issue, but in conclusion I think these are separate issues" I've never used a more accurate gif in my life.
Jamie explained it much better - a second-rate version was not required.

Maybe Muslim terrorists in France were miffed at the removal of a potential weapon - lots of ifs and buts. Whatever the reason one thing is for sure you don’t have all the answers despite thinking you do. Go back to your pegs.

Withano 03-12-2017 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9720249)
Jamie explained it much better - a second-rate version was not required.

Maybe Muslim terrorists in France were miffed at the removal of a potential weapon - lots of ifs and buts. Whatever the reason one thing is for sure you don’t have all the answers despite thinking you do. Go back to your pegs.
Out of interest, with your contrary arguments pointed out. Are you now saying ban the burqa, don't ban the burqa, or that you don't know?

Brillopad 03-12-2017 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9720268)
Out of interest, with your contrary arguments pointed out. Are you now saying ban the burqa, don't ban the burqa, or that you don't know?
I haven’t changed my opinion. There is no place for such a blatant flag of discrimination in the West.

Withano 03-12-2017 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9720272)
I haven’t changed my opinion. There is no place for such a blatant flag of discrimination in the West.
But your own logic has suggested that this promotes and enhances terrorism. Odd stance to take.

Brillopad 03-12-2017 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9720274)
But your own logic has suggested that this promotes and enhances terrorism. Odd stance to take.
If you read the posts properly instead of cherry-picking the parts you think will undermine my opinions you may see, or not if it suits, that I didn’t suggest that, I only offered up a reason, amongst others, as to why France has the highest level of Muslim terrorism according to a post I initially responded to. Even if it did increase terrorism the last thing I would do is bow down to such attempted intimidation. I thought that should be pretty obvious to most anyway!

Got it? :wavey:

bots 03-12-2017 11:10 AM
One really has to put things in context. Out of the entire population in the UK, how many are actually wearing burkas. It really isn't the most common attire, and its really not likely to increase to any extent

Burkhas in Pakistan are obviously a lot more common, and therefore it is a method of blending in. That just doesn't apply here. The point being that its impossible to equate the 2 countries and apply the same level of deception/threat because they are fundamentally different.

Withano 03-12-2017 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9720280)
If you read the posts properly instead of cherry-picking the parts you think will undermine my opinions you may see, or not if it suits, that I didn’t suggest that, I only offered up a reason, amongst others, as to why France has the highest level of Muslim terrorism according to a post I initially responded to. Even if it did increase terrorism the last thing I would do is bow down to such attempted intimidation. I thought that should be pretty obvious to most anyway!

Got it? :wavey:
No, not really, even by your standards, this train of thought is entirely incoherent.

Brillopad 03-12-2017 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9720292)
No, not really, even by your standards, this train of thought is entirely incoherent.
As are your continuous attempted smart arse comments. Note the use of the “attempted”. You never give up trying though. :bored:

Brillopad 03-12-2017 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9720288)
One really has to put things in context. Out of the entire population in the UK, how many are actually wearing burkas. It really isn't the most common attire, and its really not likely to increase to any extent

Burkhas in Pakistan are obviously a lot more common, and therefore it is a method of blending in. That just doesn't apply here. The point being that its impossible to equate the 2 countries and apply the same level of deception/threat because they are fundamentally different.
I hope you are right, although of course there other objections to the wearing of it in the West as well, but I guess time will give us the only true answer - for the moment we can only speculate.

But if you are wrong and the wearing of it increases significantly it could be too late to change the attitudes that go hand-in-hand with the wearing of it. On this I would be happy to be proved wrong.

Kizzy 03-12-2017 11:31 AM
So what's the solution then, we keep it and have the same level of risk or ban it and risk the threat increase?
Personally I don't like them, not for any threat risk but purely the cultural subjugation it represents.

Tom4784 03-12-2017 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9720240)
Any excuse to insult. Maybe I should follow your example and spend my time sticking pegs in my hair. Doh!
??

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9718445)
The desperation for alies.
Just one example of you being insulting in this topic. Don't act like a victim when you have been insulting to multiple people in this topic.

Brillopad 03-12-2017 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9720512)
??



Just one example of you being insulting in this topic. Don't act like a victim when you have been insulting to multiple people in this topic.
Funny that I nearly commented on an insulting post of yours recently but restrained myself.

The first one was a direct response to an insult to me or is it only ok for you and posters who are friends of yours. The one starting it and therefore baiting bears the brunt of the blame and should be being corrected. The second was jokey. Nice try.

Tom4784 03-12-2017 01:57 PM
Your view is conflicted and incoherent though and your reasoning doesn't make it any less so. You are ignoring a real link in favour of your imaginary acts of violence committed by imaginary people avoiding escape by using Burkhas when multiple people in this topic have explained to you that, in the west, the Burkha is conspicuous, you can't get to wear you want without drawing attention to yourself and that's the last thing a terrorist wants before they attack.

I don't like the Burkha but I don't agree with taking away a woman's choice to wear it in areas that are not security risks.

Brillopad 03-12-2017 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9720537)
Your view is conflicted and incoherent though and your reasoning doesn't make it any less so. You are ignoring a real link in favour of your imaginary acts of violence committed by imaginary people avoiding escape by using Burkhas when multiple people in this topic have explained to you that, in the west, the Burkha is conspicuous, you can't get to wear you want without drawing attention to yourself and that's the last thing a terrorist wants before they attack.

I don't like the Burkha but I don't agree with taking away a woman's choice to wear it in areas that are not security risks.
No it isn’t. The poster in question seemed to be confused as to who actually stated Terrorism had increased in France since the banning of the Burkha, and was attempting to imply I had said that when I suggested some reasons as to why I thought that was.

I have nothing more to say to you as I know exactly where this is going and I am not playing as I will be the obvious loser due to power imbalances.

Tom4784 03-12-2017 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9720554)
No it isn’t. The poster in question seemed to be confused as to who actually stated Terrorism had increased in France since the banning of the Burkha, and was attempting to imply I had said that when I suggested some reasons as to why I thought that was.

I have nothing more to say to you as I know exactly where this is going and I am not playing as I will be the obvious loser due to power imbalances.
Ah the ol 'I can't win the argument so I'm gonna make out that Dezzy will somehow decide to ban me if I try even though he hasn't misused his mod privileges in the 7+ years he's been one. '

I will take this post for what it is, an admission of defeat.

Brillopad 03-12-2017 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9720563)
Ah the ol 'I can't win the argument so I'm gonna make out that Dezzy will somehow decide to ban me if I try even though he hasn't misused his mod privileges in the 7+ years he's been one. '

I will take this post for what it is, an admission of defeat.
You do that as I won’t give you the satisfaction. :wavey:

Jamie89 03-12-2017 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9720236)
I was responding to a poster who seemed to be suggesting that there was a link between banning the Burkha in France and it apparently being the highest risk country in Europe for terrorist attacks.

I don’t know if that is true but rather flippantly suggested that if so it would likely be due to an act of defiance from Muslin terrorists opposed to equal rights for Muslim women and intent on trying to force France and the West to accept their backward views on women and way of life through violence and fear. As has been seen on many occasions fear and violence are clearly the weapons of choice for Muslim terrorists who refuse to integrate or accept the values and laws of the countries they forced their way into. Talk about biting the hand that feeds them. On the other hand, maybe it has more to do with numbers. If there is a larger Muslim population in France there may be a higher percentage of Muslim terrorists - I don’t know.

But I also feel that the Burkha could provide Muslim terrorists (male and female) and general criminals with the anninimity to commit terrorist attacks and criminal acts - they have after all already been used this way in Europe and the Middle-East. I have hardly plucked such a scenario out of the air. I do however think they are separate issues involving the wearing of the Burkha so don’t really see a conflict between them tbh.
I think DR was using the example of France just to point out that banning the burka wouldn't necessarily reduce terrorism, rather than implying that terrorism rates have increased because of it being banned, which is what I thought you were suggesting (which is what would have conflicted with your earlier posts :p )

One of my issues with banning the Burkha is what would happen to the women who currently wear it. If they were to become confined to their homes how that would affect the oppression of them and their general well being.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9720288)
One really has to put things in context. Out of the entire population in the UK, how many are actually wearing burkas. It really isn't the most common attire, and its really not likely to increase to any extent

Burkhas in Pakistan are obviously a lot more common, and therefore it is a method of blending in. That just doesn't apply here. The point being that its impossible to equate the 2 countries and apply the same level of deception/threat because they are fundamentally different.
Yeah I think this is probably true actually. Even if the rates of muslim people in the UK increase it's such a small percentage of them that wear it I don't think it would ever likely be seen as 'normal'.

In France before the Burka was banned:

"0.04% of the French Muslim population, and less than 0.003% of the general population of France" - (and even that figure is 5 times higher than initial estimates which found that only 367 women in the whole country wore one, but that was deemed too low so it was inflated).

"The low number of women wearing the burqa in France reflects wider European estimates of Muslim women who cover their faces, where figures are either correspondingly low, or so low as to be impossible to record."

http://theconversation.com/so-few-mu...-of-time-82957

Oliver_W 03-12-2017 07:03 PM
That general part of the world is a mess, people kill each other all the time over there. I bet they utilise burkhas fairly often too. But that has no relevance to face coverings here.

Kizzy 03-12-2017 07:37 PM
Can I just ask, who is sticking pegs in their hair...and why?

Brillopad 03-12-2017 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza (Post 9721306)
Can I just ask, who is sticking pegs in their hair...and why?
Just a little Home vid he posted on here showing him putting pegs on his beard.

Oliver_W 03-12-2017 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9721366)
Just a little Home vid he posted on here showing him putting pegs on his beard.
Why bring that into a discussion about face coverings and murder? I'm sure at least a handful of people who want face coverings banned put pegs in strange places, but such eccentricities don't mean anything.

DemolitionRed 03-12-2017 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 9721119)
That general part of the world is a mess, people kill each other all the time over there. I bet they utilise burkhas fairly often too. But that has no relevance to face coverings here.
And who made it a mess? who caused the present mayhem? Who trained ISIS? Who gave ISIS their weapons? Who invaded their countries? who toppled their governments? Who put sanctions on those countries, sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents? Are you even aware that for every westerner killed by a Muslim, a hundred Muslims have been killed by westerners and that includes 9/11.

Yes its a mess, but the west, mainly the U.S is responsible for much of that mess. The United States has killed a very large number of Muslim individuals over the past three decades and most of them were just innocent bystanders.

As tragic as it is when we see terrorist attacks on our own shores. As sad as it is to see our own innocent people being attacked by random Muslim terrorists; the saying, 'you reap what you sow' meaning, you will eventually have to face up to the consequence of your actions, has never been more meaningful than it has at this present time.

Every innocent life lost is a tragedy. Not understanding why this tragedy is happening to us in the hear and now is also a tragedy.

Edited to add: The propaganda would like us to believe our battle is with IS and yet we talk about Muslims and IS as though they were the same thing. IS kill Muslims. IS kill Christians. Who is our battle really with and who are we actually fighting?

Withano 03-12-2017 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9721366)
Just a little Home vid he posted on here showing him putting pegs on his beard.
Wait thats why haha? I thought it was some old fashioned phrase so I never even questioned it. (It wasn't actually me btw, interesting to know that you would reference a light hearted vid months later in a serious discussion as a personal put down. Quite telling of the type of person you are).


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