Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9869142)

..if we took away all of the racist/stereotype negative attachments to golliwogs, which there are...if we replaced the ‘display of dolls’ in such a prominent quantity as is reported, with clown dolls or dolls of ‘days gone by’, which could be very ‘creepy’ by nature and would make some feel very uncomfortable, in their display...so would deter from drinking in the pub, surely that would be something the pub owner would consider in losing some potential custom because it’s a business../his livelihood...so he wouldn’t think...oh, I’m going to make a stand with these dolls, I like them very much and you can take them or leave them, you’re jus5 being very PC..and if they offend you, then just don’t come here...so the fact that he’s essentially doing that, is very odd I feel.../..almost like business suicide, to adopt such an adamant stance when his whole business caters to not offending any public..either deliberately or unintentionally...I’m not sure if it’s a family pub or a drinking pub, but if it were me and a child for instance, who felt uncomfortable with a doll../..any doll...I would remove the doll and think I probably wouldn’t put it back again when they had left because it had in some way ‘offended’ or upset...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9869144)

...anyway, he was quite possibly approached and encouraged by the news media to help ‘create’ this story, which only serves to cause more divisiveness, when it’s the last thing that is needed in the present day...

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9869146)

As covered in the bit I added to my post above at the bottom, I think they're clearly trying to cater to a certain customer base, and feel like this is some sort of protest statement.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9869155)

Have you ever been to Grays in Essex?

Id say they have done their marketing well

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9869163)

I try not to go too far south of Manchester, I get hives. I think I'm allergic to Westminster.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9868066)

:joker:


Maybe you could say that seeing as gollywogs are loved, cuddled and generally associated with happiness, denying this lovely man. As that is how i can only judge him. Denying him the right to show off a historic toy as popular as teddy bears like the gollywog is tantamount to racism itself...so maybe you are the racist cause you are seeing a cuddly toy as something nasty simply because its black.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9869146)

As covered in the bit I added to my post above at the bottom, I think they're clearly trying to cater to a certain customer base, and feel like this is some sort of protest statement.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9869174)

Its interesting that we howl at the gollywog but are "happy" with say the fashion industry and its hideous caricature of what a woman should look like?

Its not a direct comparison i know but its one for sure

http://www.adinnerguest.com/wp-conte...nny-models.jpg

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9869189)

Literally nobody is 'happy' with the fashion industry. Who did you talk to before deciding that this was a fact you should share?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9869196)

people buy the clothes, they buy the magazines that support the industry, they watch the tv shows

i dont see any demonstrations in Londons streets

i expect every member bought clothes in high street shops in the last month


Not sure what point it is you are making?

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9869198)

Only nudists are unhappy with the fashion industry then got it. Your logic sometimes is so superhuman, its hard for me to keep up.

Originally Posted by Marches (Post 9869201)

I like how this slightly interestin discussion dissolved into people ignoring good posts and responding to random points to make their argument look better

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9869198)

Only nudists are unhappy with the fashion industry then got it. Your logic sometimes is so superhuman, its hard for me to keep up.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9869208)

It’s only women, they are expected to suffer ie starve themselves, nevermind the long-term effects that is likely to have on their bodies, all in the name of selling sex - of the female kind that is. I don’t see male models expected to look that way.

Women are used to sell sex in most industries, not just the fashion industry, and the message is always the same - to please men, of any colour. It has always been and still is a far bigger problem than other ‘isms’.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9869214)

Apparently Brillo, youre not unhappy with this because you wear clothes. LT has spoken.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9869216)

well its as complicit as having a gollywog in your pub if you take it to a logical conclusion

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9869221)

Yeah a similar number of people in the country wear clothes and own gollywogs. These are all good points you are making LT, i dunno why youre being defensive.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9869222)

im not the one denying the fashion industry and its portrayal of women is largely ignored whilst trying to be outraged about a puppet


because, that be you

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9869222)

im not the one denying the fashion industry and its portrayal of women is largely ignored whilst trying to be outraged about a puppet


because, that be you

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9869228)

wtf has this got to do with gollywogs and pubs :shrug: