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Hearing these things have happened is just awful and it repulses how somebody would do something like that and hurt innocent people. Why does guns have to be the answer?
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I've just seen a question on BBC News website, 'is it time to arm the teachers' FGS it's time to get rid of the guns!!!!!! Some say guns don't kill, it's the people who use them that kill, well if there were no guns those people couldn't kill with them!!!
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Apparently a witness was interviewd on TV and claimed that there was another shooter other than the arrested guy. And Barbara has some questions.
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Obama was trying to sort out the gun control but it didn't work , and the white house was always blocking him left right and centre with decisions in general . The republicans were ruling the roost from then :bored:. And now the country has a maniac running things who's worse than just a republican . |
passing a law one way or another isn't going to change anything though, so blaming governments for not implementing gun control doesn't achieve anything.
There is no simple solution. It requires a raft of measures first of which should be to protect the communities effectively. Once communities are protected, there is little point in having a gun, so why bother. It will regulate itself once the other measures are in place |
These evil cowards only go for no guns zones, if there was the chance of retaliation, they wouldn't contemplate it. They're cowards who target defenceless people. Mentally sick. No law can stop that.
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No president would ever attempt to actually ban guns.The only thing vaguely possible would be stricter controls on purchasing them.
To ban them would mean having to try and disarm the population which would probably end up with the bloodiest civil war in history.Guns are in Americas DNA. |
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(edit) Even without a theoretical "total control" (which is unlikely given the state of our politics), both parties can still filibuster just about anything from being able to go through. That's how the system was intended though. They know this, but both parties prefer to sit to throw their hands up and pretend they're "powerless" and make it into a football game. But, that's also not their fault because the public keeps voting them in. Easy job... |
Banning them in America is a fool's dream but so is trying to control them, the people in power and those with influence do not care about dead children, not as long as the gun industry is proftable and brings in the tax dollars.
These shootings are just going to get more and more deadlier with more casualties and nothing will happen. the whole student body of that school could have been killed and the conversation would have died after a few weeks with nothing like it always has. These kids died for no reason, their deaths will be in vain and there will be more shootings like this before the year's out, there always is. |
Not that it matters all that much in the grand scheme of things, but the leader of that white supremacist group may have lied about him being in them for publicity.
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Guns are good if gun control was properly implemented so that psychos like this who showed signs would never get their hands on one
Tho these people would probably murder anyway. If you were to get rid of guns you’re taking the power of self defence from the general public who have done no wrong |
I still think its pretty pointless trying to judge America by our own standards and worldview.
Most away from the East coast cities and LA seem happy with the current gun laws and have voted to say so. |
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Theres not much you can do. Obviously dont give dangerous people a weapon, but dangerous people will still find a weapon.. dangerous people will still be given weapons during a time that they werent so dangerous. Idk what the solution is, its isnt easy, if it was, it wouldnt be a problem. I think they got to start from the top down, get rid of the most deadly guns in this decade, and make owning certaing guns and making or selling the bullets for certain guns a punishable offence. |
Id imagine it must be pretty scary going to school at the moment
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If guns weren't an issue and this wankstain of a human being decided to go on a rampage with, say, a knife, he would not have killed or hurt as many people as he did with a gun. Chances are he wouldn't have killed anyone. Access to guns is absolutely the problem here, you can't do anything about people being psychotic but you can try to ensure they don't have access to weapons that give them the best chances to kill as many people as they can before they are caught. |
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Yes whoever is running USA Guns are the Tradition of all Americans. This 19 year old Killer is Guilty |
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The answer isn't more guns . If those teachers had guns in that Florida school can you imagine the carnage that would of took place , it was already horrific but if the teachers had guns the firing would of been a bigger blood bath !! . And more innocent lives would of been lost :shocked: . Teachers aren't there to defend themselves with weapons ,they're there to teach the students and help them . Yes teachers will try and keep students safe but they shouldn't have to use guns to do that . If we end up living in a world where every citizen carries a weapon , what kind of life is that?. It won't make people feel safer it will just cause paranoia and make everyone feel uneasy !. |
Teachers already carry guns here. Several states have or have always had open carry. Texas has had open carry for a while now and I've yet to see a single person. My husband has seen one... in a city of over 2 million. A carry permit is required for concealed carry, as well as classes and training. There's not a ton of people who carry, but my husband does (mainly for his job), and it takes a while to go through while all the necessary background checks, etc are made. They ask you everything from your history, your reasons, any arrests, etc... an omission can get you flagged so you have to divulge everything during application. It takes a few months to go through. It took 6-8 months for my husband to get into law enforcement as they had to go out of state for his records and this process felt very similar to the paperwork side of that.
As for how "bloody" it could've been if more carried. There was a mass shooting at a church last year and it would have been a lot worse had it not been for armed citizens intervening. Hero' exchanged fire with gunman, then helped chase him down https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/te...ion/index.html Quote:
All I can say is that most people who are at the range, they are safety-focused and quite mature when it comes to how they are handled. It's not a social engagement or a place where people go to chat. Safety is a big deal and they have someone who stands around monitoring how everything is run and they have regular periods where everyone stops and they check to make sure everyone is following the range's rules. It's not walk in and do whatever you please. They have strict procedures they follow and there are any number of things that could get you in trouble or kicked out. They also go up to people and help train them a bit if they're having trouble and will make sure they are not doing anything stupid. Have been to several and have always found the staff to be helpful and committed to safety. There are kids that act like fools, but they're not going to do it in those places. It's usually on YT and FB actually... to complete strangers I guess. Especially here, where people are homeowners and gun ownership is only so common, but even someone who doesn't own will be quick to "have a word". They're not going to mouth off in front of adults... it'll be to peers who are stupid and have had no training. But for the most part, people take care of their business and they receive some education at the range. I've never really seen a gun out in the open (maybe in a gun cabinet? If that...) when visiting someone's home. And even if they had one, it's not something that you pay that much attention to?... we are so adjusted to it and feel safe enough to take it for granted I guess. I do think AR-15s need to be banned up until at least 24 years. Most mental health issues have started to well manifest by that point, so it makes sense to push it off until at least around that age to also allow for people to mature before owning. Kids seem to be maturing later and later, so it makes sense to move the law up accordingly. Handguns can't be carried until 21, which is ironic, but it's probably because handguns are what are most often used in violent crimes. AR-15s are a smaller percentage. Rifles tend to be a home defense kind of thing. I've never seen anyone carrying those around for fun. :laugh: They tend to be something that stays with you in your home for home protector or when you visit the range to practice. If you live near an open field like literally in the middle of no where, you may take it out... but in areas with a denser population, that isn't the case. However, even if we ban them, I get the feeling eventually there will be 3D printers that can handle making gun parts and it's going to make a lot of this much more complicated to resolve. We can buy an entire AR-15, but generally many people buy kits (with some assembly necessary) or they buy individual parts and build them from scratch. The latter is common as it's a very customizable weapon. So when there is 3D printing for metal--which makes sense would happen eventually as we get away from the old way of buying one new thing after another. It makes sense that people will be able to build parts for old weapons or even make entirely new ones... Ammunition is actually quite easy to make as well. It's called "reloading". You need to have certain tools to do it, but they're simple tools. The most difficult part is buying brass... well, if you can buy bullets, you have brass--as long as you buy a certain grade, the brass can usually be reused. Bumstocks are also relatively easy to make (supposedly). There's also the issue of criminals being able to obtain these weapons one way or another, and there's already areas with strict laws in places with high homicide rates that do such a swell job of keeping those people from owning (it doesn't)... so that more laws would not help in those cases. Even an age restriction. As for the shooter, they're saying at this point he should've been flagged up the *ss in the ATF, but law enforcement dropped the ball... several times. The law is there, but if they don't enforce it, it wouldn't have mattered if a stricter law were in put in it's place. I had listened to a podcast saying his mother had wanted him to be committed, as he is prone to fits of rage I need to find a source for that. Supposedly their neighbor would let him over and he would have one of his fits and had torn up their place. His history of violence was well-charted. There had been numerous police calls to his residence, 39 times over the course of seven years. We don't have a system in the US where we can voluntarily or involuntarily commit someone and that's a much bigger issue imo. California has a 5150 hold (Britney Spears was detained using that protocol), but that is to a hospital for 3 days iirc, so not to a true psych facility. Certainly not nearly long enough for anyone to be monitored, for their medications to be put in order, much less for them to respond... (which sometimes takes months). He was able to legally obtain a weapon even though he had a substantial history of violence, of making threats to other citizens, of psychiatric treatment, etc... but yet nothing was done. The FBI already has said they were notified but failed to do anything about it. Yet on his background check, nothing came back. He should've been flagged... Another example of where he may have been caught--if he had committed a felony, especially a violent crime, those folk are not allowed to own under any circumstance. There are obviously many cases where they will do it anyway. For example, one of our friends pulled over a guy in a security guard uniform who was reporting to work... he talked about starting a new job, which required a firearm, and he was arrested on the spot. But the person has to interact with an officer for their full record to be looked into, and even then they have to be searched. Do we suggest now that we search all vehicles who are linked to a felon who driving weird on the road?... my crystal ball and witch broom are in my closet, but I can already see those headlines. Alleged Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz was reported to FBI, cops, school -- but warning signs missed http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/16...ns-missed.html Quote:
Spoiler: Many folk here have been feeling like most in this thread, like a dark cloud has gone over our hearts. I listen to both liberal and conservative media and the vibe is the same across. Nobody wants this to continue, but the road to correcting this epidemic is going to be long and complicated... As I've mentioned before, there are states that are already strict with gun laws, and all it's done is cause a jump in a crime overall. But, the gun control issue is only a small part of it... it's an easy thing to blame, which is our gun culture, but there is also an impending mental health crisis... this is pretty obvious given the toxic nature of our politics, the amount of rage that is being vented into online and the nature that most people "handle" (i'd say "mishandle") their social media and how they conduct themselves in our society. I think much of the West is dealing with this actually. We can't just ask for more authorities to police us, we have to some degree police ourselves and each other... right now the solution seems to be retweets and Facebook likes, but that's faux social engagement. It's a placebo, not really a fix. America needs an intervention, and I think the psych facilities--as much scandal as there was associated with running them (and there will always be scandals with any public institution... sadly...), they should return. I think a vast majority of the reason they do not return to having public facilities is because nobody wants the inevitable **** stain that will be on their policy record when they are brought back. It would be expensive to run correctly and if done too inexpensively or poorly administrated, there would be a nightmare of public outcry when the inevitable scandals and medical abuses do occur with lower-paid contractors... we already see this with the hospitals, jails and nursing homes when they take shortcuts. We are having that issue with our local jails with one of the largest mental health facilities in the country. Those local authorities would be more than ecstatic to move them to a private contract rather than deal with them directly. That will likely never happen though, because nobody wants to face that issue head-on. I fear though what that would look like if they moved those facilities to contracting. We've had three Sheriffs now and all three are doing what they can with the funding they have and have setup mental health training for all their officers (which my husband helped to build the state program for), but society asks for a solution... and none are willing to pay the money or cut spending in other programs in order to to create these solutions, so we are stuck with the bare minimum... Many do seem to think outlawing guns (and this is by no means a small group) or establishing more infrastructure, or more laws, or more money to XYZ useless committee... when actually, I think the money would be best spent on improving mental health training in schools and having our mental health system build back to where it used to be. If we had to choose between the two, I'd pick mental health. None of this will be addressed yet because we haven't even tackled Obamacare and the issues there. And these are not the only issues in our country where the buck has been passed for a generation or so now and that's part of the reason these crisises are occuring non-stop... and it seems like to tackle one thing, we have to tackle another thing. I think it's also nonsensical to keep putting more and more responsibility on the Criminal Justice system. It's no wonder this is breaking down, because too much of society is put onto law enforcement to solve all our issues, and yet... also to adjust to resolve racism and inequality as well now? It shouldn't be a solution to all our issues. The more roles we give this system, the more it will strain those systems and may even lead to the kind of police state (or criminal epidemic) that most people would rather we avoid. In some cities, it already has... Parents should be able to sign a form to have a child committed, especially if it's after numerous phone-calls to the police and they are having a difficult time keeping them under control. That would avoid the calls. They should be able to obtain paperwork to keep them from owning for sure and that should be given when they enter a facility to the parent. This will flag a lot of people during application process for carries as well... so they probably wouldn't be approved with that type of history even if they do manage to get approval again. Anyway, I could keep going... but there are many issues in our country that need solving. And nothing that our current administration and Congress seems capable of handling without immature pandering... This year we will be possibly losing the Republican majority and may end up with a Senate that is red and a House that is blue as typically happens during midterms... and so that will possibly mean more gridlock... and if we get a blue Congress, then that shall also be interesting, because Trump is able to veto everything that comes from Congress. His Twitter is already trollish... his account might actually burn a hole into the universe if the Republicans somehow lose the majority in both houses and the Russian investigation gets into full swing. I'm trying not to think about the midterms tqbh. |
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The West could do with a little bit less ethnocentrism, and a lot more humility, especially if we are to fix our own societies... basically we are the enemy of our own making. |
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We're all use to hearing about gun shootings, think of all the school shootings that happen that we hear about it's shocking & still horrible but it's all too familiar. Now think about the general gun violence in America we don't hear about, because it happens every day in America and it's treated as the norm :facepalm:. If they won't get rid of guns entirely, you'd think they'd at least take action to have restrictions so these weapons aren't readily available to lunatics who are trigger happy . But nothing will change :bored: . |
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