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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed
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Supporting a cause does not mean supporting a killing. Corbyn supports the Palestinian cause and he's been framed as a terrorist sympathizer for doing so. If you don't support the Israeli apartheid you are deemed a terrorist sympathizer or worse, a hater of Jews.
I have no doubt that Corbyn was embroiled in Republican politics during the Irish conflicts but there were reasons. He didn't just wake up one morning and think "yes, I'm going to support the mafia side of the Irish conflict just for the hell of it". There was already a long history of Unionist abuse and Corbyn is big on human rights (as we see with Palestine). Yes they were killing people and yes, they targeted innocents but this was a war and there was a cause... a united Ireland. And so if we look at the cause of the conflict; if we understand the history behind the conflict and understand that it was the Loyalists and British military who were targetting Republican protesters with tear gas before the real troubles began, it makes sense that he, a human rights thinker, would reach out to the cause he believed in with some sort of peaceful dialogue.
He was doing this openly and that's why he was being watched by MI5 who have since closed the case on him because they had nothing on him. The government were doing the same in the hope of finding mutual solidarity but did so in a more covert way.
The British media and the present government are attempting to give us all the impression that Corbyn supported IRA killings but none of them have any reliable sources. If MI5 can't give them anything of substance then nobody can and they were supposedly at every campaign he ever attended.
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Supporting a cause does not mean supporting a killing.
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Really?
If you are a decent human being you support a cause through democratic means. If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies
indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting the actions of cold blooded murderers and thugs. There is NO way out of that, and trying to excuse his support is monstrous imo.
I take it you don’t agree with democracy? The people of N.Ireland (Protestant
and many Catholic) voted democratically to remain part of the UK, the WAR was the one the IRA inflicted on the citizens with the use of bombs and bullets to murder their way into something the majority didn’t want!
...and your potted history of N. Ireland and the origins of the conflict is woefully uncomplicated and ignorant, but then you didn’t live here in the midst of the worst of it like I did so I’ll overlook that as haven’t the inclination or the hours of my time needed to explain the culpability of both sides through the years.
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Yes they were killing people and yes, they targeted innocents but this was a war and there was a cause... a united Ireland.
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This is despicable in its apologist stance.
There was NO justification for the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, there was NO justification for Corbyn's support; the minute he smells anything anti - British he's there, poking his nose in and dishing out tea and sympathy.
I see you have conveniently ignored these quotes from republican archives I posted in my previous post...
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These included a petition (by Corbyn) to Downing Street on behalf of Hugh Doherty, a member of the IRA’s Balcombe Street gang convicted of killing seven people, and protests against the extradition of Dessie Ellis, a top IRA bomb maker who has denied links to about 50 deaths.
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Corbyn was later arrested while on a pro-IRA protest at the trial of the bomber who had killed five people and injured a further 31.
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DemolitionRed:
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The British media and the present government are attempting to give us all the impression that Corbyn supported IRA killings but none of them have any reliable sources.
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The media and the Government know darn well he was an IRA supporter, the impartial world and its mother knows he was an IRA supporter.
....so I'll repeat part of what I said in my first paragraph: If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies
indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting cold blooded murderers and thugs.
The proof and reliability that he supported IRA killings are there
in his own actions.
These quotes from the Spectator say it well:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/
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It cannot be said too often that there is nothing intrinsically objectionable about supporting the idea of a united Ireland. But if you did – or still do – support that goal you had a choice. You could ally yourself with the SDLP or you could chum around with Sinn Fein and the IRA. The choice mattered because it was a choice between decency and indecency, between constitutional politics and paramilitary politics. Corbyn, like his Shadow Chancellor, made his choice and chose indecency.
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Jeremy Corbyn didn’t help bring peace to Northern Ireland, he helped delay it by enabling those who bore primary responsibility for the violence. Now he and his supporters wish to rewrite history, the better to pretend Corbyn was somehow ‘ahead of the curve’. He was no such thing. His vision of peace did not advocate compromise and dialogue. If it had he might have spent more – or some – time speaking with Unionists and other parties with whose analysis he disagreed. But his vision did not do this and so he did not ‘engage’ with anyone in this fashion. No amount of whitewash can cover up this stain upon his record, his worldview and his judgement.
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