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Matthew. 17-06-2018 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10041632)
No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever

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Crimson Dynamo 17-06-2018 01:02 PM

A specific law against upskirting already exists in Scotland.

Matthew. 17-06-2018 01:03 PM

anyway your opinion is outdated and doesn’t belong in this society

Crimson Dynamo 17-06-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew. (Post 10043608)
anyway your opinion is outdated and doesn’t belong in this society

:fist:

My opinion is as good as yours

Matthew. 17-06-2018 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10043609)
:fist:

My opinion is as good as yours

not you :hee:

arista 17-06-2018 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew. (Post 10043608)
anyway your opinion is outdated and doesn’t belong in this society

UPDATE
https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-s...rting-11407685


The MP Now Supports a Law Against Upskirting

Sticks 17-06-2018 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10043604)

I suspect when it comes back to the Commons on 06 July it will be talked out and permanently killed off.

In spite of what the PM says, the government will never take it up as they have more important matters such as Brexit to deal with

There will be no laws against upskirting in England and Wales, ever

But then there is no need for it, the police can just use existing public order offences and as I have discussed, women if they are concerned about falling victim to this odious activity can be proactive against this by wearing trousers, as most women I observe do anyway.

arista 17-06-2018 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10043607)
A specific law against upskirting already exists in Scotland.

Yes
Well Done Scotland.

Beso 17-06-2018 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043621)
I suspect when it comes back to the Commons on 06 July it will be talked out and permanently killed off.

In spite of what the PM says, the government will never take it up as they have more important matters such as Brexit to deal with

There will be no laws against upskirting in England and Wales, ever

But then there is no need for it, the police can just use existing public order offences and as I have discussed, women if they are concerned about falling victim to this odious activity can be proactive against this by wearing trousers, as most women I observe do anyway.

What if its like 90 degree in the shade, you cant expect them to have to wear trousers in that stifling heat.

Ashley. 17-06-2018 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10042650)
That is close to libel, I have no wish to engage in such an obnoxious activity. Do not ascribe to me motives you think I have for not jumping on a favoured bandwagon and putting forward an alternative viewpoint.

This is tantamount to mud slinging, which is never appropriate in a debate.

I'm simply trying to make sense of why you're so against something that will never affect you.

arista 17-06-2018 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043621)
I suspect when it comes back to the Commons on 06 July it will be talked out and permanently killed off.

In spite of what the PM says, the government will never take it up as they have more important matters such as Brexit to deal with

There will be no laws against upskirting in England and Wales, ever

But then there is no need for it, the police can just use existing public order offences and as I have discussed, women if they are concerned about falling victim to this odious activity can be proactive against this by wearing trousers, as most women I observe do anyway.


Sticks 6th of July
does no matter now
since yesterday recorded interview
of the PM May on BBC1HD Marr
she will bring in a law , herself.

You must record Marr, in the future
so you are more up to date.

Sticks 17-06-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10043623)
What if its like 90 degree in the shade, you cant expect them to have to wear trousers in that stifling heat.

Then men have that issue as well, and like some men, the solution is short trousers, as I have also observed.

Problem solved...

Sticks 17-06-2018 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10043626)
Sticks 6th of July
does no matter now
since yesterday recorded interview
of the PM May on BBC1HD Marr
she will bring in a law , herself.

You must record Marr, in the future
so you are more up to date.

So did she say when she would find parliamentary time for this amidst the more important Brexit legislation?

No point in recording Marr, as I would not have the time to watch the recordings

Sticks 17-06-2018 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 10043624)
I'm simply trying to make sense of why you're so against something that will never affect you.

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

Underscore 17-06-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043642)
We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

Just because Brexit is happening doesn't mean the rest of the world goes on hold.

Time moves on, there are other important things at stake like our education system, NHS and transport.

bots 17-06-2018 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043642)
We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

that's just utter rubbish quite frankly

Nicky91 17-06-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10043623)
What if its like 90 degree in the shade, you cant expect them to have to wear trousers in that stifling heat.

true, why wear something where you most likely sweat in, in the summer heat

Maru 17-06-2018 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043642)
We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

If it was voted on, isn't the bill essentially already written? I don't how parliament differs from here, but seems like if it just passing hands, then would be fine to vote through.

Without a penalty, there is no deterrent, so eventually it will have to be made into law. That ties up the hands of law enforcement. I imagine there is money to be made for folk who get these pictures as well...

Greg! 17-06-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043633)
Then men have that issue as well, and like some men, the solution is short trousers, as I have also observed.

Problem solved...

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. :umm2: People should be able to wear whatevever they want without fear of being sexually harassed

arista 17-06-2018 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043639)
So did she say when she would find parliamentary time for this amidst the more important Brexit legislation?

No point in recording Marr, as I would not have the time to watch the recordings

Yes she fit it in.

Sticks if you have no time to catch Important breaking news
you are not up to scratch.
Why not have SkyNewsHD You Tube on
with Full HD 1080P.
Better for your eyes.

Nicky91 17-06-2018 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 10043651)
I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. :umm2: People should be able to wear whatevever they want without fear of being sexually harassed

drag him :clap1: :clap1:

arista 17-06-2018 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043642)
We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.


Yes 11PM

I agree, Sticks
but this one particular Upskirting Law
is a Vote Winner
for the PM.
Thats why that MP Sir Christopher Chope
has now said he Supports a NEW LAW against it.


You only got updated
by me, with respect
as you appear to blank Live Feed News?



FREE 1080P Live UK news
https://news.sky.com/watch-live

Sticks 17-06-2018 02:03 PM

I prefer the BBC News feed rather than Murdock's empire

arista 17-06-2018 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043672)
I prefer the BBC News feed rather than Murdock's empire


It will soon not be Murdochs

Comcast or Disney
will be in charge of UK SkyNews


BBC NEWS Live is good enough , also FREE
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcnews

add subtitles
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/10318089/bbc-news-channel

Sticks 17-06-2018 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 10043651)
I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. :umm2: People should be able to wear whatevever they want without fear of being sexually harassed

parmnion asked a question, forgetting that men also wear trousers, so the problem raised also applies to men. I provided an answer to her question. In summer, some men, notably postmen where short trousers.

I have also observed that some women also wear short trousers.

If we lived in an idealised utopian paradise where all men respected women and did not do such uncouth and despicable acts, then there would be no problems. Unfortunately we live in the real world, and some men are thoroughly reprobate and pariahs.

Given that is it not prudent to take precautions?

Here is a question for our female members here, do you go out at night after dark, as is your right to? Do you take precautions like keeping to well lit public areas, not going out alone, taking some defensive weapon like pepper spray or an assault alarm? How many of you have done some form of self defence class or training?

In the idealised utopian paradise, you should not need to, but we live in the real world so many do take such precautions and possibly others that I have missed off the list.

Some of the precautions I have listed are possibly some that might be given out by a crime prevention officer, giving advice, so what is the difference in giving advice on how to avoid being upskirted in the absence of any legislation?


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