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Vanessa 24-09-2019 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Montana (Post 10683531)
Same. He was brilliant as Commodus in Gladiator. Really made me despise his character. I can't wait to see him as the Joker.

Yes, he was fantastic in it.

James 03-10-2019 10:43 PM

I'm going to see Joker tomorrow. The reviews have got me intrigued.

LaLaLand 03-10-2019 11:45 PM

The reactions from the public on Twitter are completely positive as far as I can see. They can’t believe what they’ve watched in most cases, a gritty, completely disturbing, Oscar-worthy masterpiece.

Vanessa 04-10-2019 03:29 AM

I want to watch the late night extended version :dance:

Babayaro. 04-10-2019 07:25 PM

A masterpiece! Phoenix deserves an oscar for that performance :clap1:

Tony Montana 04-10-2019 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 10689571)
A masterpiece! Phoenix deserves an oscar for that performance :clap1:

Was he better than Ledger?

Tony Montana 04-10-2019 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 10689164)
I want to watch the late night extended version :dance:

How was it?

Tony Montana 04-10-2019 07:33 PM

Watching on Sunday, so excited!

LaLaLand 04-10-2019 08:03 PM



And yet there are still people on social media “I ThInK tHiS wIlL fLoP” “nOt My JoKeR” “LeDgEr Is ThE bEsT” :smug:

Vanessa 05-10-2019 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Montana (Post 10689574)
How was it?

I'm going to watch it on Monday night.

Vanessa 05-10-2019 03:38 AM

He's always been one of my favourites. About time he got an Oscar.

LaLaLand 05-10-2019 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 10689802)
He's always been one of my favourites. About time he got an Oscar.

It's criminal how he hasn't won a Best Actor Oscar yet. I mean, I thought Walk the Line would have done it for him easily he was incredible in that! Hopefully this is his year. :shrug:

Vanessa 05-10-2019 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 10689805)
It's criminal how he hasn't won a Best Actor Oscar yet. I mean, I thought Walk the Line would have done it for him easily he was incredible in that! Hopefully this is his year. :shrug:

He should have got it for Gladiator. He was incredible!

Tony Montana 05-10-2019 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 10689801)
I'm going to watch it on Monday night.

I thought you'd watched it already. :fan:

Tony Montana 05-10-2019 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 10689805)
It's criminal how he hasn't won a Best Actor Oscar yet. I mean, I thought Walk the Line would have done it for him easily he was incredible in that! Hopefully this is his year. :shrug:

He lost to Philip Seymour Hoffman's Capote that year, who had an equally amazing performance. Their performances, along with Heath Ledger's performance in Brokeback Mountain, makes 2005 one of the strongest Best Actor line-ups ever!

All three of them would've made worthy winners.

Tony Montana 05-10-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 10689833)
He should have got it for Gladiator. He was incredible!

He was robbed of Gladiator and especially the Master.

Ramsay 05-10-2019 06:51 PM

Best movie I've seen in a long, long time. Give Joaquin all the Oscars

Amy Jade 05-10-2019 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 10689592)


And yet there are still people on social media “I ThInK tHiS wIlL fLoP” “nOt My JoKeR” “LeDgEr Is ThE bEsT” :smug:

I mean box office is meaningless if people just prefer Ledger's joker.

Daniel. 05-10-2019 08:23 PM

This was fantastic, dark and gripping the entire way through, Joaquin Phoenix did a fantastic job of watching a man go insane, the last thirty minutes had me on edge.

Babayaro. 05-10-2019 11:31 PM

Did he kill his neighbour then?

Vanessa 07-10-2019 11:41 AM

Going to see this tonight. I'm so excited! :dance:

Vanessa 07-10-2019 11:43 AM

I like Jack Nicholson version of the joker as well. He's just fantastic.

James 07-10-2019 12:46 PM

I thought it was fine, a 7 out of 10.

I feel the Internet hype and clickbait culture has let it down - many film critics have gone into it thinking it is politically dangerous, which it isn't - if any viewer finds the main character to be inspirational then they are as deluded as him. Many comic-book fans have gone in expecting a all-time great film.

It is basically a story of a very damaged man, that loses complete touch with reality, loses empathy, and does terrible things to others. It is a fairly slight story really, although I think the plot works quite well.

When you compare it to the films it emulates - like Taxi Driver - I don't think it is as good as those. Taxi Driver was more powerful because in that film Travis Bickle is an almost ordinary man that takes extreme actions, whereas Arthur in Joker is mentally ill from the start.

Thinking about it later an idea I took out of it was how mobs and revolutionaries can too easily come to believe a person represents something that person really isn't.

Spoiler:


When Arthur kills the three wealthy men on the train, it is in self-defence (although that is borderline) and because of his previous treatment. The press, however, reports that they got killed because they are rich, which contributes to the crowds starting to treat the clown figure as a hero. Which is totally wrong of course because he doesn't have any political view or philosophy and is actually a psychopath.


Another thing I thought when watching was the trailers showed a lot of the film, without giving away the plot necessarily.

A lot of it is well done - like the last 30 minutes is very tense. It certainly stayed in my mind for a while after watching it.

Oh, and by the way, there was one song-choice I was quite taken aback to hear used - it's as if the film-makers didn't know what they were using there.

Alf 07-10-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 10691457)
I thought it was fine, a 7 out of 10.

I feel the Internet hype and clickbait culture has let it down - many film critics have gone into it thinking it is politically dangerous, which it isn't - if any viewer finds the main character to be inspirational then they are as deluded as him. Many comic-book fans have gone in expecting a all-time great film.

It is basically a story of a very damaged man, that loses complete touch with reality, loses empathy, and does terrible things to others. It is a fairly slight story really, although I think the plot works quite well.

When you compare it to the films it emulates - like Taxi Driver - I don't think it is as good as those. Taxi Driver was more powerful because in that film Travis Bickle is an almost ordinary man that takes extreme actions, whereas Arthur in Joker is mentally ill from the start.

Thinking about it later an idea I took out of it was how mobs and revolutionaries can too easily come to believe a person represents something that person really isn't.

Spoiler:


When Arthur kills the three wealthy men on the train, it is in self-defence (although that is borderline) and because of his previous treatment. The press, however, reports that they got killed because they are rich, which contributes to the crowds starting to treat the clown figure as a hero. Which is totally wrong of course because he doesn't have any political view or philosophy and is actually a psychopath.


Another thing I thought when watching was the trailers showed a lot of the film, without giving away the plot necessarily.

A lot of it is well done - like the last 30 minutes is very tense. It certainly stayed in my mind for a while after watching it.

Oh, and by the way, there was one song-choice I was quite taken aback to hear used - it's as if the film-makers didn't know what they were using there.

Political dangerous :laugh: Why, because it's a straight White man being a hero, and beating people up? Who's been saying it's Politically dangerous? I bet I know the types, The MSM of the left?

James 07-10-2019 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10691470)
Political dangerous :laugh: Why, because it's a straight White man being a hero, and beating people up? Who's been saying it's Politically dangerous? I bet I know the types, The MSM of the left?

There were news stories about how it would inspire 'incels' to violence.

The film isn't like that at all though. Having watched that documentary that was posted on here, there's only one very small part of the film that those people could take something from.


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