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Niamh. 04-03-2019 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 10464791)
I don’t think political implications are all that relevant on a poll about accents Niamh. Somehow.

The stench of condescension in that post.

Redway 04-03-2019 03:42 PM

Don’t you think you’re blowing the issue of a poll on regional accents out of proportion just the tiniest bit?

Twosugars 04-03-2019 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10464773)
I really don’t get the fuss it says Foreign (aka non British Isles)

It says Northen Irish and Irish accents, if there was just one Irish option I might understand

But Ireland is part of the British isles, period. https://atrl.net/uploads/emoticons/F...C4C3265D51.gif

Since Ireland is a foreign country and is located in British Isles it is wrong.
It should say Foreign (aka not Great Britain) bc that's how the big island in this archipelago is called.
And agree with Niamh that the term British Isles is problematic considering England conquered Wales and Ireland and since then Ireland regained its independence.

Redway 04-03-2019 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10464802)
Since Ireland is a foreign country and is located in British Isles it is wrong.
It should say Foreign (aka not Great Britain) bc that's how the big island in this archipelago is called.
And agree with Niamh that the term British Isles is problematic considering England conquered Wales and Ireland and since then Ireland regained its independence.

But in the grand scheme does it really matter that much, hm?

Niamh. 04-03-2019 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 10464804)
But in the grand scheme does it really matter that much, hm?

Probably not if you're British ........

Twosugars 04-03-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 10464804)
But in the grand scheme does it really matter that much, hm?

It does very much. Claiming ownership of an independent country, even if it's done unwittingly or by clumsiness, smacks of an imperialist attitude. Something Britain should be avoiding bc its wrong and false. Especially now when it needs friends more than ever.

SherzyK 04-03-2019 04:12 PM

I like to think I have a scouse accent :p

JerseyWins 04-03-2019 04:29 PM

A pretty basic American, kinda Jersey-ish, accent

bots 04-03-2019 04:30 PM

I can see Neem's point. Many times Scotland is referred to as England by foreigners, it doesnt go down at all well

Cherie 04-03-2019 04:32 PM

Well I would say Irish and people here in the UK immediately know I am Irish but when I go home they say I have a mix of an English and Irish accent which is fair enough I suppose as I have been here 20 plus years

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 04-03-2019 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10464832)
I like to think I have a scouse accent :p

:drool:

Cherie 04-03-2019 04:41 PM

PS I thought this thread would be boring...who knew


for the record Redway lumping the Republic in with the rest of the UK is liking insulting slavery....yes it is that deep

Cherie 04-03-2019 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyWins (Post 10464837)
A pretty basic American, kinda Jersey-ish, accent

Is that similar to Noo Yark accent, love that

Cherie 04-03-2019 04:42 PM

What is an RP accent?

Crimson Dynamo 04-03-2019 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10464812)
It does very much. Claiming ownership of an independent country, even if it's done unwittingly or by clumsiness, smacks of an imperialist attitude. Something Britain should be avoiding bc its wrong and false. Especially now when it needs friends more than ever.

why do we need friends more than ever now?

and who is we and what do you mean by friends?

:umm2:

Twosugars 04-03-2019 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10464854)
What is an RP accent?

Received Pronounciation, "official" accent, a bit like the Queen's, afaik

Matthew. 04-03-2019 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10464862)
Received Pronounciation, "official" accent, a bit like the Queen's, afaik

mess I thought it meant Really Posh

JerseyWins 04-03-2019 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10464853)
Is that similar to Noo Yark accent, love that

I kinda wish I had more of a thick Noo Yawk accent :joker: Which yes can be similar to thick NJ accents but mine is a lot more basic northern American lol

Twosugars 04-03-2019 04:55 PM

more on Received Pronunciation, after British Library

Spoiler:

Received Pronunciation

Rp: a Social Accent of English

Received Pronunciation, or RP for short, is the instantly recognisable accent often described as ‘typically British’. Popular terms for this accent, such as ‘The Queen’s English’, ‘Oxford English’ or ‘BBC English’ are all a little misleading. The Queen, for instance, speaks an almost unique form of English, while the English we hear at Oxford University or on the BBC is no longer restricted to one type of accent.

RP is an accent, not a dialect, since all RP speakers speak Standard English. In other words, they avoid non-standard grammatical constructions and localised vocabulary characteristic of regional dialects. RP is also regionally non-specific, that is it does not contain any clues about a speaker’s geographic background. But it does reveal a great deal about their social and/or educational background.

Well-known but not widely used
RP is probably the most widely studied and most frequently described variety of spoken English in the world, yet recent estimates suggest only 2% of the UK population speak it. It has a negligible presence in Scotland and Northern Ireland and is arguably losing its prestige status in Wales. It should properly, therefore, be described as an English, rather than a British accent. As well as being a living accent, RP is also a theoretical linguistic concept. It is the accent on which phonemic transcriptions in dictionaries are based, and it is widely used (in competition with General American) for teaching English as a foreign language. RP is included here as a case study, not to imply it has greater merit than any other English accent, but because it provides us with an extremely familiar model against which comparisons with other accents may be made.

What’s in the name?
RP is a young accent in linguistic terms. It was not around, for example, when Dr Johnson wrote A Dictionary of the English Language in 1757. He chose not to include pronunciation suggestions as he felt there was little agreement even within educated society regarding ‘recommended’ forms. The phrase Received Pronunciation was coined in 1869 by the linguist, A J Ellis, but it only became a widely used term used to describe the accent of the social elite after the phonetician, Daniel Jones, adopted it for the second edition of the English Pronouncing Dictionary (1924). The definition of ‘received’ conveys its original meaning of ‘accepted’ or ‘approved’ — as in ‘received wisdom’. We can trace the origins of RP back to the public schools and universities of nineteenth-century Britain — indeed Daniel Jones initially used the term Public School Pronunciation to describe this emerging, socially exclusive accent. Over the course of that century, members of the ruling and privileged classes increasingly attended boarding schools such as Winchester, Eton, Harrow and Rugby and graduated from the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge. Their speech patterns - based loosely on the local accent of the south-east Midlands (roughly London, Oxford and Cambridge) — soon came to be associated with ‘The Establishment’ and therefore gained a unique status, particularly within the middle classes in London.

Broadcaster’s choice
RP probably received its greatest impetus, however, when Lord Reith, the first General Manager of the BBC, adopted it in 1922 as a broadcasting standard - hence the origins of the term BBC English. Reith believed Standard English, spoken with an RP accent, would be the most widely understood variety of English, both here in the UK and overseas. He was also conscious that choosing a regional accent might run the risk of alienating some listeners. To a certain extent Reith’s decision was understandable, and his attitude only reflected the social climate at the time. But since RP was the preserve of the aristocracy and expensive public schools, it represented only a very small social minority. This policy prevailed at the BBC for a considerable time and probably contributed to the sometimes negative perception of regional varieties of English.

There’s more than one RP
A speaker who uses numerous very localised pronunciations is often described as having a ‘broad’ or ‘strong’ regional accent, while terms such as ‘mild’ or ‘soft’ are applied to speakers whose speech patterns are only subtly different from RP speakers. So, we might describe one speaker as having a broad Glaswegian accent and another as having a mild Scottish accent. Such terms are inadequate when applied to Received Pronunciation, although as with any variety of English, RP encompasses a wide variety of speakers and should not be confused with the notion of ‘posh’ speech. The various forms of RP can be roughly divided into three categories. Conservative RP refers to a very traditional variety particularly associated with older speakers and the aristocracy. Mainstream RP describes an accent that we might consider extremely neutral in terms of signals regarding age, occupation or lifestyle of the speaker. Contemporary RP refers to speakers using features typical of younger RP speakers. All, however, are united by the fact they do not use any pronunciation patterns that allow us to make assumptions about where they are from in the UK.

RP today
Like any other accent, RP has also changed over the course of time. The voices we associate with early BBC broadcasts, for instance, now sound extremely old-fashioned to most. Just as RP is constantly evolving, so our attitudes towards the accent are changing. For much of the twentieth century, RP represented the voice of education, authority, social status and economic power. The period immediately after the Second World War was a time when educational and social advancement suddenly became a possibility for many more people. Those who were able to take advantage of these opportunities — be it in terms of education or career — often felt under considerable pressure to conform linguistically and thus adopt the accent of the establishment or at least modify their speech towards RP norms. In recent years, however, as a result of continued social change, virtually every accent is represented in all walks of life to which people aspire — sport, the arts, the media, business, even former strongholds of RP England, such as the City, Civil Service and academia. As a result, fewer younger speakers with regional accents consider it necessary to adapt their speech to the same extent. Indeed many commentators even suggest that younger RP speakers often go to great lengths to disguise their middle-class accent by incorporating regional features into their speech.

Liam- 04-03-2019 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew. (Post 10464869)
mess I thought it meant Really Posh

Snap

SherzyK 04-03-2019 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyWins (Post 10464871)
I kinda wish I had more of a thick Noo Yawk accent :joker: Which yes can be similar to thick NJ accents but mine is a lot more basic northern American lol

So do you pronounce Jersey as ‘Joysie’? :p

Matthew. 04-03-2019 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10464873)
Dr Johnson wrote A Dictionary of the English Language in 1757.


JerseyWins 04-03-2019 04:59 PM

The Boston accent is one of the best/funniest to me though. Where did you put the car? = something like: Wheah did ja put tha caaahh?? :love:

SherzyK 04-03-2019 04:59 PM

http://i.imgur.com/HGX7dQG.jpg

JerseyWins 04-03-2019 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10464877)
So do you pronounce Jersey as ‘Joysie’? :p

Lmao hell no :laugh2: I actually don’t hear that too often either. That’d be a very specific thick NJ accent :joker:


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