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bananarama 09-06-2007 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by Sticks
Except the advertisers ran for the hills on that occasion :wink:
The one in particular did. I supose they thought they were sucking up to public opinion.......They may well regret being shallow cowards

ttw 09-06-2007 10:17 AM

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This was not the case with Emily, she claimed to be highly intelligent, she was not ignorant. She knew the meaning of the word. And yes, clearly she is a racist bigot. There was absolutly no need for that word to be used in that context and it just "slipped" out of her - as she admitted she and her friends call each other the word all the time (at their KKK meetings most likely!) LOL!

If you were listening, she said that it was her friends, who were black who threw it around, and this is plausible because there are some who feel they are reclaiming the N word.

Where are you getting that she is a racist bigot? Unattributed sources from the gutter tabloids, hardly a credible source.



No, if YOU were listening you'd see that she said she has used the word previously among friends, she did not always state that they were black friends either, she also mentioned that together they said it as a way of "making fun" at each other "y'no pally"

She also mentioned on BBLB that she knew the word was wrong previously, so therefore she used the word towards a black female, stating "you're pushing it out, you ******" .. there was no reason for her to use it, she knows it is a racist word - yet she still did, it slipped out, bcos she uses it often.

She used it out of complete stupidity, and you must have to wonder where it came from? What made her think it was acceptable to use it? And you cannot deny the possiblity that she may hold some possibly prejudice views.

Also, if BB did cover it up, and somewhere down the line it came out that she had said it, and BB had covered it up, I along with many many other ppl would be very angry by it.

Sticks 09-06-2007 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Turrican
If you had been more observant you would have noticed I put a "LOL!" after my KKK comment, meaning I was JOKING. I know my history, do you honestly think I was SERIOUS about Emily belonging to the KKK club?
Let me see, when someone utters the N word and says they were joking, that is still considered unacceptable, yet when someone else impunes a person's character by stating they must be a member of an infamous an objectionable organisation and says they were joking, we have to laugh along and accept that.

What am I missing here?

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Originally posted by Turrican
The fact that many people have testified against her and given their full name and details of racial abuse from Emily in the past - some of which in front of lots of witnesses at her college. Who are YOU to say they are lying?
Can you give us a link to a credible source? I have seen these claims as well, except they were from un-named people in gutter tabloids. Anyone remember the News of the World story, "I'll Give Helen the Heave Ho" or is that too archaic a reference.

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Originally posted by Turrican
Also the fact that she called a black girl a NI**ER to her face is proof enough for me and the rest of the country, hence the reason she was booted out of BB, hence the reason her family are disowning her over it and hence the reason she was grovelling and crying on BBLB last night, saying sorry over and over again.
Yes she said it, but there was a context from where it came from, and it is quite plausible, yet this is ignored. A reminder, some groups like to reclaim words once hurled against them. Emily claims to have associated with such a group, if they have done that in her presence then it was easy to see how this word got miss filed into the section marked acceptable street language instead of do not utter.

Before anyone starts this is not a justification but a possible explanation of how an error was made.

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922 people complained that Emily was kicked out for racism. 46,000+ people complained that Shilpa was racially abused in CBB.
And one wonders how many of those 46000 were jumping on a band wagon and seeing what they were told they were seeing. I have spent quite a lot of time on that when it happened and would rather not repeat that again.

The 922 represents real data, because it runs counter to the general hue and cry currently taking place.

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I think the war against racism is winning - and I know which side I am on. Do you?

It's time to stamp out racism and I stand strong against it.
And I am against racism, plus the church I go to has people from just about every continent. The way the question is asked is loaded and verges on an ad hominen.

This is becoming like the Salem witch trials or the McCarthy House Un-American Activities hearing. Anyone who dares say hang on a minute, must have something to hide, a well know tactic to squelch dissent.

There are some of us who firmly believe that Channel 4 has botched this yet again.

Since BB1 I have vocalised that Channel 4 / Endemol have miss handled Big Brother constantly, and this is yet another occasion where they got it wrong.

Sticks 09-06-2007 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by ttw
No, if YOU were listening you'd see that she said she has used the word previously among friends, she did not always state that they were black friends either, she also mentioned that together they said it as a way of "making fun" at each other "y'no pally"
I believe it was later she made this claim

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Originally posted by ttw
She also mentioned on BBLB that she knew the word was wrong previously, so therefore she used the word towards a black female, stating "you're pushing it out, you n**** Edited to remove the N Word - please don't repeat this fellony.. there was no reason for her to use it, she knows it is a racist word - yet she still did, it slipped out, bcos she uses it often.

She used it out of complete stupidity, and you must have to wonder where it came from? What made her think it was acceptable to use it?
See my previous replies on this one. I will accept she may have not been the sharpest tool in the box, after all a really intelligent person would not go near BB. (So why is Gerry there and why did Jon Tickle go on)

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Originally posted by ttw
And you cannot deny the possiblity that she may hold some possibly prejudice views.
And you can not deny the possibility that she was telling the truth and was more stupid than malicious. That is a really low blow here, can you deny the possibility that I am really an alien from the planet Zog - that statement makes just as much sense.

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Originally posted by ttw
Also, if BB did cover it up, and somewhere down the line it came out that she had said it, and BB had covered it up, I along with many many other people would be very angry by it.
But that would depend on how things had panned out, if it was something nipped in the bud with all parties in agreement, who are we to judge. I believe Bananarama had a solution for this.

Foebane100 09-06-2007 11:00 AM

The "making fun" of comment was her doing a very bad job of trying to explain and get herself out of trouble, leaping on what someone has said instead of trying to figure out what they meant just because it suits your cause and because she wasn't very articulate is just adding to the problem.

I think she was wrong and foolish to say it, but I don't think she should have been removed for it.

ttw 09-06-2007 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by ttw
No, if YOU were listening you'd see that she said she has used the word previously among friends, she did not always state that they were black friends either, she also mentioned that together they said it as a way of "making fun" at each other "y'no pally"
I believe it was later she made this claim

Whether the claim was made later (and I presume you are talking about in the diary room) or immediately after, it was still made... so therefore, what is your point?

ttw 09-06-2007 11:08 AM

LOOL, i just realised aswell, in her audition tape she mentioned not liking ignorant people.

GiRTh 09-06-2007 11:33 AM

I think we're getting off topic here.

Regarding the complaints - If some rednecks and their kracka friends want to complain to C4 then that's up to them. Without CBB5 I think the decision the evict Emily was a little harsh, but due to CBB5 the decision is totally 100% the right one. In a more reasonable world BB should have called Emily and Charley to the diary room to get them to discuss the incident in private with BB and possibly for someone to explain to Emily the history and impact of that word.

Sticks 09-06-2007 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by ttw

Whether the claim was made later (and I presume you are talking about in the diary room) or immediately after, it was still made... so therefore, what is your point?
The N word may have got misfiled into a list of words to use amongst friends instead of the correct section, words which must never seen the light of day.

A pure explanation of what went wrong, not an excuse or justification

Turrican 09-06-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by GiRTh
I think we're getting off topic here.

Regarding the complaints - If some rednecks and their kracka friends want to complain to C4 then that's up to them. Without CBB5 I think the decision the evict Emily was a little harsh, but due to CBB5 the decision is totally 100% the right one. In a more reasonable world BB should have called Emily and Charley to the diary room to get them to discuss the incident in private with BB and possibly for someone to explain to Emily the history and impact of that word.
I think under any circumstances with or without CBB5; calling a black person the N word as part of an insult would (or should) always result in immediate eviction.

Lest we forget that Emily DID use it as part of an insult; "your pushing it out you n***er" replace the N word with "idiot" or any other insult - just so happens that Emily uses the N word in her everyday life often and it slipped out on Live TV.

the_chosen_one 09-06-2007 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by Turrican
I think under any circumstances with or without CBB5; calling a black person the N word as part of an insult would (or should) always result in immediate eviction.
So all the other BB housemates that have used it e.g. Emma Green dont count?

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Lest we forget that Emily DID use it as part of an insult; "your pushing it out you n***er" replace the N word with "idiot" or any other insult - just so happens that Emily uses the N word in her everyday life often and it slipped out on Live TV.
No matter how much spin you attempt to put on the comment, it was said in the context of...

Youre pushing it out my homie or
Youre pushing it out sister or
Youre pushing it out you N

It's an aggressive sounding context, but that is the context which has been asserted in this modern age.


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