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Tom4784 02-09-2019 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10670150)
No, I was just likening to criminal children.

If I entered a country illegally, I'd be a criminal, same goes for children.

People used to demonise children with similar arguments to yours to defend segregation.

It's easy to be rationalise human rights abuse if you don't consider the abused to be human, I guess.

AnnieK 02-09-2019 08:09 PM

Children immigrants should never be likened to criminals.....its so heart breakingly sad the stuff slim has posted. And then to liken those kids to two murderous warped kids is just rubbing salt in the wounds.

Kizzy 02-09-2019 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10670301)
People used to demonise children with similar arguments to yours to defend segregation.

It's easy to be rationalise human rights abuse if you don't consider the abused to be human, I guess.

This!
How do people not feel themselves being conditioned? Desensitised?

Alf 02-09-2019 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10670313)
Children immigrants should never be likened to criminals.....its so heart breakingly sad the stuff slim has posted. And then to liken those kids to two murderous warped kids is just rubbing salt in the wounds.

You missed out the word "illegal" after children and before immigrants.

Tom4784 03-09-2019 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10670321)
You missed out the word "illegal" after children and before immigrants.

Go back to a few years before WW2 and you'd hear conditioned germans saying similar things about Jews. You have been conditioned completely.

You don't see children forced to drink out of toilets or being abused by guards, you see 'criminals' that deserve what they get and that says everything anybody needs to know about you.

Alf 03-09-2019 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10670362)
Go back to a few years before WW2 and you'd hear conditioned germans saying similar things about Jews. You have been conditioned completely.

You don't see children forced to drink out of toilets or being abused by guards, you see 'criminals' that deserve what they get and that says everything anybody needs to know about you.

Lovely.

Marsh. 03-09-2019 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10548804)
If they want to sleep outdoors, it'd be warmer to do so on the Southern side of the border tbf

:facepalm:

Marsh. 03-09-2019 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10549050)
Imagine thinking another human being is a burglar because they break into a house which isn't there and take other people's belongings.

This is one of the worst so-called analogies I've ever seen. :umm2:

Ammi 03-09-2019 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10670075)
https://www.wonkette.com/trump-now-g...because-he-can

Trump Kicking Sick Kids Out Of America Now, So They Can Die Elsewhere!

The Trump administration's war on immigrants has reached yet another of its logical conclusions. Not satisfied with seeking to deport people to likely death after doing all it can to eliminate asylum for people fleeing war and gangs, the administration is now marking immigrants -- KIDS -- with grave medical conditions for removal from the USA, regardless of whether they can receive life-saving treatment in their home countries. That's what Make America Great Again means now: send people to die. This isn't metaphorical, or a mere possibility. Thousands of people who have been legally staying in the US because they're being treated for serious illnesses are now being told they must leave voluntarily in 33 days or face deportation. Many of them will die, because they can't get the care they need in their home countries. It's not murder, mind you, because they'll still be alive when they're put on the plane here. Besides, some will probably live, those are just the odds.

National Public Radio obtained a copy of a form letter being sent to thousands of people who are currently allowed to stay in the US under the "medical deferred action" program. As NPR explains, the program



Because some idiot always starts screaming about "illegals," we should point out yet again that this is a legal immigration program and the people covered by it are here legally, making them legal to be here, legally. In case anyone's confused.

The letter is chillingly direct: No, sorry, we're ending the program that kept you alive. The letter categorically denies the request for medical deferred action, noting that such protections are only available to military families now, and advises the reader that without the deferral, they're now an illegal alien.



Go be sick somewhere else, please. If it's fatal, that's too bad. America is about winners now, not losers, and sick people are just depressing. Especially if they have accents.

As with much of the New Cruelty, the rationale seems to be that medical deferred action is a discretionary program, so the administration is free to end it at whim, because it wants to.

At a press conference in Boston yesterday, Ronnie Millar, executive director of the Irish International Immigrant Center, which has been helping patients in area navigate the deferral process, said, "Just when you think the administration can't sink any lower, it finds a new way to torture our immigrant children and families." Millar also noted that the families he works with "are all here receiving treatment that is unavailable in their home countries, and our government has issued them a death sentence."

The Boston Globe notes the policy change seems to have arrived out of nowhere:



The Globe details how one child, 7-year-old Joaquim Norville from Guyana, will be affected when deferred action expires next March for him and his mother, Shonell.



Somehow, we're supposed to believe sending a seven-year-old to Guyana to die is good for America. Maybe Stephen Miller could explain it. Maybe it will free up services for American-born poor people, who also don't deserve treatment they can't afford and should just hurry up and die.

NPR's story on the policy change details the case of Jonathan Sanchez, from Honduras, who has the uncurable (but treatable) lung disease cystic fibrosis.



...just going back to Slim’s post...these are children who have been legally granted to stay in residency because they’re being treated for serious illnesses...the program which has allowed this is now being ended under the Trump administration and a very limited time is being given to leave or ‘become an illegal’ and face deportation...obviously it's not killing the children as such because the odds say that some may survive without the medication their bodies have needed...?...these are the odds being played with children’s lives...would we think that was fine with our own children...


...’illegal’ is just an enabler...whether it be depriving life preserving medication or accepting conditions of children drinking from toilet bowls...’illegal’ enables to not fully face the horrific reality that these are human beings...and in this case they’re children...it enables the dehumanisation of/..the acceptance of/...and even the justification of etc...a very sad world that we’ve been stepping into and continue to do so...:sad:...

Beso 03-09-2019 07:23 AM

Wouldn't these kids be sleeping outside on the ground every night as they travelled to the USA.

Beso 05-09-2019 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10670389)
Wouldn't these kids be sleeping outside on the ground every night as they travelled to the USA.

I'm not seeing the outrage about thier parents allowing them to do that:shrug:

The Slim Reaper 05-09-2019 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10671542)
I'm not seeing the outrage about thier parents allowing them to do that:shrug:

Where's the outrage at parents letting their kids go on camping trips, too? C'mon parm, I'm with you brother.

Phoebe and George from highgate hill would pay thousands to sleep in cages abroad, so trump should start charging these dirty south americans for their glamping experience.


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