Hes unapologetic about that, he's also homophobic and an Al round thoroughly horrible bloke.

I agree, most people in the past do not know that black face is a thing? I had never heard of it until about 5 years ago, I doubt very many people knew of it in 2002? Everything people have done in the past is racist/some form of ist now. When in reality people are just unaware of these rules that have come of light over the past decade, no harm is usually ever meant

The black and white minstrel show was cancelled in 1978 because it was seen as racist and offensive .... 1978

From wikipedia

The show's premise began to be seen as offensive and racist on account of its portrayal of blacked-up characters behaving in a stereotypical manner. After the murder in Alabama in 1963 of 35-year-old white postal worker William Lewis Moore, who was on a protest march against segregation in the American South, the satirical show That Was the Week That Was did a sketch in which Millicent Martin dressed as Uncle Sam and sang a parody of I Wanna Go Back to Mississippi ("Where the scent of blossom kissed the evening breeze / Where the Mississippi mud / Seems to mingle with the blood / Of the <censored> that are hanging from the branches of the trees[8]) accompanied by minstrel singers in blackface ("... we hate all the <censored> and the Catholics and the Jews / Where we welcome any man / Who is strong and white and belongs to the Ku Klux Klan"), parodying the Black and White Minstrels supposed trivialising of southern U.S. racism.[9][10]

A petition against the show was received by the BBC from the Campaign Against Racial Discrimination in 1967.[11] In 1969, due to continuing accusations of racism, Music Music Music, a spin-off series in which the minstrels appeared without their blackface make-up, replaced The Black and White Minstrel Show. However after one series, The Black and White Minstrel Show returned.

Since its cancellation in 1978, The Black and White Minstrel Show has come to be seen widely as an embarrassment, despite its huge popularity at the time.[12][13]

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I can definitely remember repeats being shown in the mid eighties but the show was cancelled all the way back in 1978. Its a thought for all those who say this is some kind of new phenomenon The show was still popular when it was cancelled so good that they didnt care how much money it made, it had to go anyway.

Why are the pictures in black and white? They had colour photos even back in the early 2000s...

The only time I would hold something like this against someone really, is if in the 20 year timegap they have not changed.

Mind I have to say, I find Trudeau to be..just as smarmy and full of bull as most other politicans tbh, I don't really get his almost cultlike following. But it doesn't matter to me really, given am not Canadian :laugh:

He didn't look anything like Aladdin either.

I said that. Aladdin wasnt black was he

Yeesh. Well I hope he's learned from those days. It's not looking good for him though.

A person can only apologise for the past and hope they grow from it, if there's any evidence of relatively recent racial actions then I hope they drag him out of office, if not, I hope he gets the chance to show that he's changed.

That makes it even worse then?

usually, if people have a drastic change in opinion it is associated with a life changing moment. Something that the individual can point to as changing their life forever. i haven't heard this from Trudeau so i remain very skeptical about him. I think he is a family generated political figure and i trust those types the least.

I'm only surprised these pics haven't surfaced before now.. if it were a genuine reason for the expose and it was someone who had found them and become genuinely upset/ offended/ annoyed... but it isn't, it's political point scoring and electioneering.

One instance then ok, error of judgement but 2,3?
He did hI'm self no favours leaving the issue dormant, should've raisled and confronted it himself head on.

Hard to tell. Maybe he didn't know or maybe he did but fancied blacking up. We will never know.
I'd like to see that in context, how popular blacking up was at the time for that demographic and in similar circumstances.

I thought he'd gone to the fancy dress party as Papa Lazaru.

Really? 29, from a political household, I think it's really stretching it

My eldest started school in 2002 and we were summoned because he referred to one of his friends as having brown skin and a teacher overheard, so yeah I'm struggling with this one.

Side note, they are still friends 18 years later :love:

You misunderstood.
I meant maybe he didnt know Aladdin wasn't black. Americans are not great with general education

My least favourite character from the show

Do you reckon the reaction to this would be the same or different if it had been Trump? Exact same scenario but Trump instead of Trudeau.

I ask that because David Lammey is usually one of the most vocal on Twitter with this kind of story, but he hasn't tweeted once about it yet. This is the man who thinks raising money on Comic Relief is racist. It's a mystery why he hasn't commented yet.

Of course the reaction would be different

He's Canadian, not American!

I meant the continent :rolleyes:

Yup, Trump is constantly racist, hell, he was condemned by Congress for his racist attacks on members of congress just a few months ago. He's a proven racist already so it's quite different to someone who may have been racist in the past but has seemingly turned it around and has learned from their mistakes.

If Trudeau's administration was known for it's blatant racism like Trump's is then I would be more critical. I believe people can let go of their hate, I've known people that would have beat the **** out of someone if they knew they were gay a decade or two ago go to Pride and be an out and out ally for the LGBT in the present. Same with racism, the area I live in is very racist but I've seen racists change their minds on their position and grow as well.

With time and experience, people can change their ways and given the fact that Trudeau has pretty much had diversity and acceptance at the forefront on his administration, I'd be willing to bet he learned the lessons he needed to learn unless something more recent comes out.

Trump has never learned, He started off his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and he hasn't stopped stirring up racial tension ever since.

So about that...

For the record, the only person I've seen defending or minimising the issue of blackface as you seem to be implying is a member in this thread who thinks blackface is akin to "wearing dark foundation". I haven't seen anyone else, David Lammy or otherwise, react to Trudeau doing blackface as if it's a non-issue, because Trudeau's an idiot and is being rightfully slammed for this. The comparison I made was because, at the time of posting, the Trudeau story was the top story on BBC News, while Trump covering up his attempt to bribe the Ukrainian president into investigating Joe Biden's son was like... ten stories down. It was nice to briefly see a glimpse of a country with a normal political news cycle where "Prime Minister did blackface so many times he's literally lost count", as opposed to the one we live in every other day, in which "Trump is a corrupt liar" is the kind of headline we've become so used to that it was below a story about the new J-Lo film.