I thin most people who are adults now were probably smacked as kids. Seeed to be very common and am sure there used to be a 'rule' that it was perfectly fine aslong as you did not leave a mark, which again is an odd rule..

I support this, a reliance on hitting a child as punishment is a mark of a bad parent. Kids shouldn't fear their parents.

Is it fair for me to say that the SNP are national socialists, who are now enforcing laws on the Scottish people?

Or am I wrong?

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No pretty sure they cry because it hurts

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State your case.

Go and learn some basic facts before you start comparing nazis to SNP bc it is embarrassing

We know they're socialists, we know they're nationalists, we now see them enforcing a law on the Scottish people, in this thread.

Why is it so wide of the mark?

A law not to hit people shouldn't have to be "forced" on anyone, should have always been a thing tbf

Labels can be misleading. Best if you read about what national socialism and its programme was before you draw such conclusions

All I'm saying is, put it to the vote, let the people decide.

Alf were you under the impression that a public consultation has to take place every time a new law is brought in? This is not the case in literally ANY country and it never has been :facepalm:

Why should voters decide whether or not they should be allowed to hit non voters? That doesn't seem very fair

On something like this, when they're attempting to decide for you how to raise your own children, yes.

Also Alf? You shouldn't really oppose socialism because republicans do so in the US.... Unless you are saying you oppose such things as the NHS since that by it's very nature would be considered a socialist construct.

And by the way, I'm not opposing Nationalism or Socialism both have great quality's. I'm opposing authoritarianism from governments.

I know my dad would give me proper whollops as a kid, I had the wooden spoon at some point it snapped in half , I was threatened with a belt I don't think he used it though. I even got pinned to the wall at one time. I was so scared I would pee myself, looking back its not good parenting but I did show him respect. I think I was a very well behaved kid so I don't know what I did to deserve it... That said I get on really well with my dad now

I need to learn to discipline my kids properly I'd never whallop them but I do give a light tap on a hand especially if I have asked a lot of times I'd never use it as a first resort, and I do raise my voice and shout a bit too quickly which doesn't even work anyway so that needs work...

Everyone who smacks, or is considering it says stuff like this. However, everyone knows a 'light tap on the hand' would do nothing at all, so would be pointless. It seems hard for people to acknowledge that they are hitting a child, not 'tapping' them. I get it though..the use of language like that to convice yourself that its all fine...

Exactly, if you're not hitting to hurt then it's pointless and will not give them any sort of "lesson"

Shouting in a child's face will effect them more negatively than a smacked arse will.

I wouldn't shout in anyone's face

Probably but it's not one or the other... you can just do neither of those...

What if you asked your child to do something and they told you to fook off, and repeated doing that every time you asked them to do or not do something.

This happens. How do you deal with it?

...raising a hand to a child is displaying the very opposite of self control, which is what they’re meant to be learning...