No but you assumed my qualms are centred around race, which isn't true, that's why i corrected you. It's a very common derailment when Islam is criticised/debated.

Race and religion are not the same thing. Saying things like 'i can tell you're white' proves what exactly?

Too many excuses being made for this scumbag.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02...0736446799.jpg

[Mother of Streatham terrorist reveals
her 'disgust' at son's attack,
claims he was radicalised in Belmarsh
– and how he asked for his
favourite mutton biryani just hours
before his knife rampage

Haleema Khan, 41, has described
her 20-year-old Streatham terrorist
son Sudesh Amman as a 'lovely boy'
She is trying to get her son's body
from police to bury him after finding
out on TV about his death in Streatham
Amman lived with Mrs Khan and
his five younger brothers in Harrow,
but was jailed for terror offences in 2018]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-rampage.html

Point out to me, highlight it even, the exact moment I said your qualms were centred around race. Go on, I'll wait.

Try arguing against what I've actually said, not what your overactive imagination has dreamt up.

You bought race into it, not me. You argued my point by bringing up race, so i made it clear it's not about race.

Some think as he was being Followed
it spooked him,
he then went into the low price shop
grabbed a Big Knife
then stabbed two people
One Plain Closed Police Officer
who was following him , had a side bag,
helped shoot him.

At Last The High Street is open again

BBC1 London News


The Locals Business folk do not want anymore
in the Local Bail Hostel.

I wondered how long it would take till it was someone else's fault.

He should never have been let out of prison. And if he hadn't been let out, you'd have people wringing their hands with worry about him; we'd be reminded he's a human being... and not all Muslims are terrorists. And it's true, they're not. But all the terrorists are Muslim right now. So if people refer to that fact, it doesn't make them a racist.

Lock terrorists up for ever.

That's not what I asked but your answer has revealed a lot. You are constantly misreading what I'm saying. I've even explained why I mentioned race and you've either misunderstood or ignored it because it doesn't suit you to acknowledge it.

You painted in broad strokes about muslims, I simply flipped the script and used an example of a white person being grouped up with the worst of our society. I know that you are white so I used it as an example, I have literally said nothing about your issues with muslims being race related, that is a complete fabrication on your part as evidenced by you quoting all my posts and highlighting nothing of the sort.
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Right Wing terrorism are also a thing but I'm not saying that everyone of a right wing persuasion should be on a watch list because that's just a dumb as making out that a lot of muslims are potentially terrorists.

... the key points of Number 10's emergency legislation to stop terrorists being automatically released...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/robert-buc...183357896.html

Well not all terrorists are Muslims even in recent times.

Weren't there a white Christian guy a couple of years ago that drove a Van into a crowd of people?

I do agree with you that terrorists need to stay locked up though as they are a danger to society.

Lawyers have expressed concerns and there could be a legal challenge to the law change :skull:

...obviously the issue is not Muslim, it’s terrorism...but specifically the issue is the law and it’s something we observe over many releases...it’s not specific to any extremism...our laws are such that whole sentence terms are never or rarely served and those terms are given because in most cases, they are relevant to the crime committed...we do not need dehumanisation of Muslim people from our media or any other source...what we need is laws to protect from early releases of criminals, which is fully inclusive of imprisoned extremists...a prison sentence given should be a prison sentence served...and this has been screamed for decades...

The serving the full length of the sentence aspect is just masking the issue for another year or whatever, it's not solving the problem.

i think the automatic only serving half the sentence aspect came from prison over population pressure. It should never be automatic, it should be based on good behaviour and rehabilitation

I dont think a legal challenge will be effective against the early release cases, but there will be a challenge against just extending sentences if there is no just cause such as bad behaviour in prison.

The issue really is, how do you stop someone from re-offending after they have served their time, and the simple answer is you cant. A burglar can serve their sentence and go out and rob again, a murderer can do the same, this is how it has always been. All you can do is have watch lists, which increases costs and manpower exponentially

...which is sadly what happens no matter what the crime...the reoffending comes because there has been no rehabilitation...the screaming should be for changes which would apply to all...not just ‘terrorist’...

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oh completely, it seems this new law would only extend the term to 3/4 of the sentence at any rate, but if no effort is made to rehabiliate then not sure what good that will do, if you watched the series Belmarsh on ITV recently it showed clearly what prison services are up against

So a slightly bizarre terrorist incident from someone they just happened to be closely following, where he bought the knife there and then, yet was wearing a fake bomb, has sparked an immediate law change stopping early release?

HHHMMMMmmmm

I'm not saying early release should be a thing, it should never have been in the first place, a law change probably is warranted anyway but... yeah.

Just remembered something about Sundays live coverage throughout the day on the bbc..

Bell Ribeiro-Addy the labour mp for streatham, let slip in a street interview that the terrorist was being followed by anti terrorism officers 2 hours before any official announcement..very foolish.

I get what you're saying, but personally I'd downgrade crimes like theft to doing Community Service rather than a Prison sentence nowadays because of the overpopulation in the country means we should be reserving Prison space for the most sadistic criminals.

If criminals can get rehabilitated then great, but it's not my top priority at this point when it comes to fixing the structure of Prison sentencing.

FBI's most wanted terrorists:

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

In fairness they were supposed to do it after the LB attack