I support the sentiment that black lives are important and do matter, but not the movement :shrug: same as I'm against fascism, but don't support Antifa.

With no movement comes no change, the black race had to take to the streets in force to get rights which they did now they are on the streets to get racism in the police and general life stamped out

That's not the point, you stated the EU are also negotiating deals, they are not atm...we are.

You don’t know whether they are or not do you?

Strange Macron or Angela haven’t spoken out isn’t it...

Boris has done now at the briefing

the EU/USA trade deal will be restarted the moment Trump is out of power

Also, let's not forget that the world is now a very different place to what it was at the beginning of the year, countries will grab at any trade deals they can get

the EU/USA trade deal will be restarted the moment Trump is out of power

Also, let's not forget that the world is now a very different place to what it was at the beginning of the year, countries will grab at any trade deals they can get

The EU are a trade bloc, which means they can expect to receive better terms than individual countries reliant on the US.

We're in the process of leaving our biggest trade opportunity, to chase a deal with the US that doesn't come close to replacing our losses and which will result in lower food standards and us exiting the human rights act etc. These aren't for our benefit.

Of course, the EU aren’t going to roll over and let the UK do a trade deal on its own if they can help it and who can blame them

It is what it is now... not a lot us remoaners can do but suck it up

I'll be pointing **** out every day until we're back in Europe eventually, and our citizens are back to having the same rights and freedom to travel and work as our neighbours.

i can't predict what the situation with regard to europe will be next month let alone in 5 or 10 years time.

Economic realities from covid have yet to hit home, but they will, and the landscape for trade and freedom of movement etc will be completely re-written. If there is no vaccine and we have a winter of hell across the world anything could happen

Irish passport :fan:

It's in this backdrop that cummings and Johnson are trying to force a no deal. We have 24 days to get an extension they say they don't want, and yet Boris hasn't stuck to his end of the bargain at all, which means a deal is pretty impossible.

As I said it appears they are not, not sure why it's more weird that the leaders of France and Germany haven't commented than the UK.
I think the term is 'whataboutism'.

Whataboutism...what an over used phrase and not relevant at all in this situation, the more voices speaking out the better surely :umm2:

To be honest I sadly agree with bots regarding movement; freedom of movement (globally) is not going "back to normal" for a long time post-Covid. Possibly not in our lifetimes. I fear that the days of fairly open global travel for work or any other reason are over for now. There are going to be some big, tough decisions to be made regarding open borders in the EU.

Trade is another matter of course and its just utter madness for the UK not to be seeking as good a deal as possible with the EU on that front. We have a huge market on our doorstep and we're seeking trade deals that will involve less trade... And involve thousands of miles of transport... And probably come with all sorts of ultimatums. Like if it was a strategy video game we'd all be saying "no lol that's dumb".

It's gone back to normal already hasn't it...We have our charter planes full of farm workers and other agency workers on order don't we?

Why do we need free movement when we can have people sent to work here bypassing our rights and protections for employees and ship them back when we don't need them anymore.

It's a bit like Windrush but without the paper promises.

If you are talking about relevance then our government is relevant to us, I'm sure the citizens of France and Germany will be looking to their leaders too in this situation.

But our focus naturally should be on what the view from the UK is not the rest of the EU, seeing as we are autonomous now.

Whataboutism isn't nearly as overused as :umm2:

Well you can do what you like, as an EU passport holder with a property in Spain I am still very invested in the EU :hee:

Starmer has written a letter to the PM about the situation, I can’t wait until this man takes charge.

no it’s not weird at all.

What we really need to do is address the very real problem of black on black crime in the UK, that's where our government (and those before them) have failed spectacularly. Young black males especially have been completely failed in this country. What happened, and seems to continue to happen in the US is a travesty, but we need to get our home in order first before we start meddling in other countries business. We could do so much more in the UK to help our 'own'.

Yeah BLM and their ilk should focus on encouraging black kids to finish school, and black dads to stick around. That'd do their communities wonders.

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I wonder if he will be condemning the Labour MP who broke the distancing rules at the BLM protest yesterday , you know the Labour MP who was so vocal about DC ? I bet he wont :laugh: