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No I'm not using frustration to advocate violence, if you read my post again I use frustration to describe the feelings of the prejudiced minority and suggest that may be the catalyst for a difference in opinion from your own very privilege driven logic. |
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I can see the difference but I still don't agree with you. Honestly this thread is an eye opener although I'm not sure why at this point. "How DARE you say that advocating retaliatory violence isn't a good idea!!". It could only be 2020. |
maybe next time he should keep his fat mouth shut? :hehe:
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Video isn't the best as it's very shaky and quite short, but the old man is clearly a horrible person who got what he deserved, really.
It was hardly a beating up either, like the article suggests, so I think the two men were quite restrained in their reactions. |
...this is another article ...(...not condoning violence obviously..)...the older guy called people the ‘N’ word as well....
‘My cousin was leaning on the hand bars and the man randomly pushed his elbow off. So he did the normal thing and turned around confused and asked, “Why did you push my arm off?” ‘The man then replied by shouting, “Don’t talk to me you monkey,” which is when my friend turned around and said, “What did you say?” ‘We were all so shocked and then the man proceeded by shouting, “Stop talking to me you monkeys, ******* off,” repeatedly. She added another passenger on the bus reported the elderly man to the bus driver who called the police. The camerawoman said that before the physical altercation, ‘the bus driver called the police on the white man, but they clearly didn’t get there in time’. ‘The man then began calling us n****** and saying we shouldn’t be on the bus. He then kept coming forward as if he was going to push us,’ she added. ‘But then as you can see in the video ended up actually swinging for my friends, which is why they hit him. It was simply self defence.’ She said the other bus passengers advised the group leave the scene before the police arrived. ‘Everybody on the bus suggested us leaving. They all already know how the system is. We would have been arrested,’ she explained. In a lengthy post accompanying the clip, the Instagram user wrote: ‘Imagine being on the bus minding your business when a man begins calling you a monkey and a n***** and shouting at you to get off the bus. Keep in mind he tried swinging first.’ In a caption on one of her Instagram clips, she claimed the pensioner ‘got what he deserved’. A spokesperson from the Metropolitan Police told Metro.co.uk: ‘Police were alerted shortly before 6.40pm on Tuesday, September 8, to reports of a racially aggravated assault on a bus on Lawrence Street, NW7. ‘It was alleged that a man made racist remarks towards another passenger while on board the 251 bus towards Arnos Grove. ‘Following this, the man who reportedly made the remarks was then assaulted.Officers attended and found a 70-year-old man with head injuries. ‘London Ambulance Service also attended and the man was taken to hospital. ...full article.. Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/09/racis...2/?ito=cbshare Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/ |
Name-calling doesn't warrant violence, even if it does expose him as a twat.
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He wasn’t punched because of the names, he was punched because he was violent first
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...being called ‘a monkey’ or a ‘N’ isn’t name calling, it’s racial abuse ...and it’s also been reported as him becoming physical first as well.../..the video isn’t clear enough, though... so we’ll see...but ‘name calling’ does diminish something very series in the most disrespectful way...
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Oh come on, his "getting physical" could be ignored by moving a few feet away. The response was no way proportionate.
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Were they not taught sticks and stones?
I'm sure all the extreme left violence in America has influenced them. Which is shocking |
i know it can some times be very difficult to keep your cool under extreme provocation, the law was on their side, the police had been called and they were never in danger from a potty mouthed pensioner
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Yeah, let’s just ignore racial abuse and violence
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Ammi & Liam are right!
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Racism and violence are both crimes.
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I have to ask something here Ammi, I'm afraid. If, in the context of school children, a child was racially abusing another child... would you then take no action if that child turned around and punched them in the face (hard enough to give them multiple contusions)? Would you take no action if the other kid hit first? Would you take no action, even if the kid being abusive was a known and persistent bully? I'm hoping and assuming that the answer to all of those, is that physical violence is never the appropriate response. That defending yourself is OK if someone won't get off of you, for example, is OK but if someone hits you and runs away... you tell someone, you don't chase after them and hit them back. And assuming all of those things (and I really do hope I'm right, that a teacher wouldn't ever justify children carrying out physical retaliation).. WHY on earth would it be OK for grown adults to engage in unnecessary physical retaliation? I'm not talking about empathy here; of course you might understand why a kid would hit back. I understand why the people on the bus were frustrated, upset, enraged and hit back. Empathising with why it happened is NOT the same thing as condoning it, and certainly not the same as encouraging it or advocating for it as an appropriate course of action. Can we forgive these guys for being frustrated, hurt and lashing out? Absolutely... but should we be telling them (and others) that it was justified? In fact not even just justified - but the RIGHT thing to do? I just can't imagine it. I can't imagine that you'd be approached by a child saying that another child did something to them - even something awful - and the response would be "Oh you should have socked them one back, right in the side of the head, little Jimmy". |
Nah, anyone that’s big enough to feel comfortable starting violence should be big and comfortable enough to expect it back
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