Bubble schmubble - at the time these gatherings were taking place at my work we weren't allowed more than 3 in the office and it was strict 2m social distancing and masks. They're sat on top of each other drinking champers and licking each other's faces. No wonder they were all constantly coming down with Covid.

The excuses being made for it are an absolute joke. Now, I personally see no actual benefit in removing Boris only to replace him with some other Tory tosser, but I can't abide people talking nonsense about how acceptable the little soirees were. You KNOW that if it was anyone but them doing it, they'd have been lambasting it as "against the rules".

Your thoughts on Kay Burley and her friends & family ??


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Kay Burley isn't a member of your government though is she? The one's telling everyone that they need to "stay home to save the NHS" and all that stuff?

And where did that news come from Goldheart :laugh:

It was literally on the news a few weeks ago ,it was more than 1 party as we know. Plus there was reports of finding bins around there full of empty alcohol bottles etc.

The sitting on knees is probably more of a rumour,but apparently they were so crammed that some people were sitting on eachother. And I wouldn't put it past them

I still see her crime as totally reprehensible


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Sure but surely the Government, the law makers, the ones imploring everyone to stay home should be absolutely leading by example and not "do as i say not as i do"? That's the absolute worst imo, especially in such worrying and unstable times too

Basically yeah it was wrong of her but no where near the same level imo as not only a member of Government but the actual leader of your country doing it

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Just our different takes on things then .

You regard a few butties and a slurp after a hard days work to be more serious than a well organised, lavish , high profile birthday celebration for over a hundred people at a fancy London nightclub !!?


Given her and Beth’s high profiles and their job is to question the wrong doings of others I expected them both to be sacked immediately or at least resigned .


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Not my government so no skin off my nose but if it happened in Ireland, a celebrity or a member of Government I know which one I'd be more angry with and that's the ****er telling me I couldn't leave my house/see my relatives or friends etc etc

Well I think you know my feelngs on the press and media.

Point is ,he was telling us all to stay at home & save lives. Told us not to mingle with other households. People's relative's were dying in nursing homes, funerals were limited. And Boris was having parties & laughing at us all .

I just don't understand this complete loyalty to a party or a politician either, why?

When did this happen? IIRC she was suspended for being with 9 colleagues in a restaurant and then popping in to another restaurant o use the bathroom. She breached the rule of 6 - I don't recall a big lavish nightclub party???? You make it sound like there were hundreds there.

Boris broke the law (as evidenced by the fine he received)
He then lied about breaking the law.

Case closed for me

Exactly

One time apparently ...


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The details I used where in a news article at the time ..



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When Kay Burley decided to hold a 60th birthday party last weekend, she was also looking forward to a pre-Christmas safari holiday before knuckling down to cover the arrival of a coronavirus vaccine and the conclusion of the Brexit process – two of the biggest stories of her decades-long career.
Instead, she is in for a much longer break. After a week of controversy and internal drama at Sky News, her employers concluded that her celebrations broke the coronavirus rules – and meant she should be off air for six months. While she will still be paid throughout her absence, there is no doubt that Burley would rather be on screen.


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That still doesn't say she having a HUGE LAVISH (your words) party. 10 people broke the rule of 6 and she was suspended by Sky for 6 months. It has damaged her career. You have played down Boris' law break birthday as his "work bubble" surely as they were all colleagues you have to extend the same courtesy to Kay Burley otherwise saying her "actions are reprehensible" (again your words) is a tad hypocritical, no?

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I just explained the details I initially used were from an article I read at the time ...


She didn’t have a few butties and a drink in the office after work .. is the main difference.. plus it was all arranged.

Anyways if she wasn’t guilty they wouldn’t have suspended her for 6 months

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He delivered Brexit to the majority who had voted for it.
His vaccination rollout was very impressive and saved countless lives.
He has been the best with his help and support for Ukraine, more than any other world leader. (which has helped to save more lives.)

IMO, compare those successes with taking a few breaks with colleagues during lockdown with all the incredible pressure he was under in an unprecedented situation, and for me, yes, case closed.

The leader of a country prosecuted for breaking the law and then lying to the Government and the country as a whole is reprehensible.

I don't care what he did, at the end of the day he broke the law and lied. Add to that he lied to the Queen in order to prorogue Parliament over Brexit. His previous employment history is chequered at best.

Its no wonder this country is on its knees if we can forgive the highest officials lying and law breaking.

You couldn't make it up. :laugh:

Exactly

One of the ‘gatherings’ that is being levelled against him happened when Boris was in a flamin’ intensive care unit !!

Jees !


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I care more about the saving of countless lives than I do about lies. He's done a lot of good and deserves a chance to prove himself in other areas.

Yes I don't think Boris himself is guilty of much partying at all. Turning a blind eye maybe but worth remembering that Downing Street is actually pretty huge and comprises dozens of rooms where numerous people work day and night

We should have a leader who does both to be honest - tells the truth and saves lives. Also, how many people died alone because they and their families were observing the rules that Boris and co set? How many families had to watch loved ones die through an IPad screen whilst the MPs and Government officials were drinking and covering up their parties? :shrug:

You may be able to offset those lies but for people who lost loved ones that is a much harder pill to swallow I am sure and they will not be as forgiving of the lies that have been told.