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bots 10-11-2023 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Garfie (Post 11380925)
I might be opening a whole other can of worms here, but I’ve always seen more of a social and/or intellectual divide, rather than a racial divide in the house. The upstairs crowd are a culturally mixed group of individuals, whose conversations seem to suggest they are knowledgeable, well-educated and more intellectual than the garden group. From their conversations, I would imagine the majority are university educated.

The garden group do not tend to have deep, intellectual conversations, and their backgrounds seem to be more typically working class.

To me, that is the reason why certain people have connected and why the two groups have formed. (And this comes from someone from a traditional working class background, who independently put themselves through a university education a little later than average).
i think that is certainly a factor and it could easily be driving all the conflict

Jessica. 10-11-2023 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GlitterUK (Post 11380811)
Trish herself hasn't said the race thing but it will interesting once she is out to see if she starts to say it.
She literally spoke about it on the podcast task.

vesavius 10-11-2023 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 11380921)
Gaslighting... You are using the term over and over to manipulate and shut down the conversation
How is asking to talk about the topic rather than making personal attacks attempting to 'shut down' a conversation or 'manipulating' someone?

Be serious.

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 11380921)
...which is basically gaslighting lol.
This post is ridiculous.

Anyhow, I have zero interest in cluttering up the thread with this any more than it has, so if you want to discuss it with me any more feel free to PM.

Zizu 10-11-2023 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Garfie (Post 11380925)
I might be opening a whole other can of worms here, but I’ve always seen more of a social and/or intellectual divide, rather than a racial divide in the house. The upstairs crowd are a culturally mixed group of individuals, whose conversations seem to suggest they are knowledgeable, well-educated and more intellectual than the garden group. From their conversations, I would imagine the majority are university educated.

The garden group do not tend to have deep, intellectual conversations, and their backgrounds seem to be more typically working class.

To me, that is the reason why certain people have connected and why the two groups have formed. (And this comes from someone from a traditional working class background, who independently put themselves through a university education a little later than average).

Yes I’d agree

You make some valid points


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Zizu 10-11-2023 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fitz2k2 (Post 11380847)
Who has trish bullied? Im all ears

It was nothing .. a 60 second interaction between Jordan and Trish ..


Let’s just say that they could have both handled it better


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Conzors 10-11-2023 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11381123)
Yes I’d agree

You make some valid points


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I still think it is slightly racial but I don’t think it’s a conscious thing. I don’t think they think they are better than Trish but they are certainly labelling her as the ‘angry black woman’ because she’s opinionated but they label Olivia as ‘strong minded’ it’s a joke tbh

Zizu 10-11-2023 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Conzors (Post 11381332)
I still think it is slightly racial but I don’t think it’s a conscious thing. I don’t think they think they are better than Trish but they are certainly labelling her as the ‘angry black woman’ because she’s opinionated but they label Olivia as ‘strong minded’ it’s a joke tbh

True


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vesavius 10-11-2023 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Conzors (Post 11381332)
I still think it is slightly racial but I don’t think it’s a conscious thing. I don’t think they think they are better than Trish but they are certainly labelling her as the ‘angry black woman’ because she’s opinionated but they label Olivia as ‘strong minded’ it’s a joke tbh
See, here is the real problem.

You are arguing a feeling and then asking for people to debate that feeling with you and give evidence to disprove a thing that only exists in your head as your own subconscious bias.

Look, Olivia, and I am NOT a fan... I support Trish, is not seen as angry simply because she hasn't had a meaningful stand up angry argument with anyone in there.

Trish has at least a couple of times.

I like Trish a lot, but this isn't about the two women being 'strong', it's about how they have behaved outside of that. The truth is that Trish can def get angry and loves a fight. I don't even see a problem with that though personally. I quite like that about her.

As I say, if you only see everything through a racial lens then suddenly everying looks racist even when it isn't.

letmein 10-11-2023 07:25 PM
Trish is like a schoolmarm or your mother giving you endless lectures. After awhile that becomes irritating. She loves hearing herself talk. When she’s in the room with a bunch of people, who’s the one talking endlessly to everyone? Trish. The crew outside talk mostly about inane things while Trish is pontificating about the injustices of life. I don’t dislike her. She’s helped a lot of people in there, and I’d even be pleased if she won, however, it’s easy to see how she can become annoying to people, at least after awhile.


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