Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11542935)

That's a pretty weird take on what we actually saw take place.

She literally stood up in front of the house, owned it and made no apologies and said come get it.

They ALL talk behind the backs of others. Ali does it constantly, and it's only a problem when a black woman does it? That's odd.

Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11542941)

Said what behind her back, what did she say that could have been said directly?

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11543286)

Yeah after she had been caught out



That she's a Charlatan and that she would be putting her up

It was played twice

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11543286)

Yeah after she had been caught out

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 11543290)

They all slag each other off behind each others backs. This is not exclusive to Hannah. Ali is guilty of slagging Dean off behind his back, and many others like Lily for example.

It's literally the bread and butter of Big Brother as a whole. They all talk about each other. It's more to do with being caught out and owning it, which Hannah did. Ali however, denies any wrong doing, and is a lot more snidey with it.

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 11543290)

They all slag each other off behind each others backs. This is not exclusive to Hannah. Ali is guilty of slagging Dean off behind his back, and many others like Lily for example.

It's literally the bread and butter of Big Brother as a whole. They all talk about each other. It's more to do with being caught out and owning it, which Hannah did. Ali however, denies any wrong doing, and is a lot more snidey with it.

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11543292)

It's only a crime when Hanah does it though it seems.

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11543293)

Ok. Just balancing things as Ali is not Rosemary West which you would think she is some of the comments

She owned it in the most trashy and childish, gangsta way possible. Thinking she's better than Big Brother.

No you listen babes, you me, blud

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11543300)

You are comparing the bullshit of Ali and the criticism she has clearly earned against Hanah having a way of speaking that you consider 'trash'.

Those working class people, eh? They just don't know how to speak. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 11543304)

Yeah the Classism and superiority (by the very same) people who preach tolerance and acceptance is astounding when it comes to Hannah. Like i've said in other threads, if people could actually see past their snobbishness and hear what Hannah is saying, they'd see what she says is absolutely spot on. She's a very intelligent and perceptive person.

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11543306)

Yep, 100% agree.

There is nothing more a Guardian reading type hates more than a working class person though.

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11543293)

Ok. Just balancing things as Ali is not Rosemary West which you would think she is some of the comments

She owned it in the most trashy and childish, gangsta way possible. Thinking she's better than Big Brother.

No you listen babes, you me, blud

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11543300)

You are comparing the bullshit of Ali and the criticism she has clearly earned against Hanah having a way of speaking that you consider 'trash'.

Those working class people, eh? They just don't know how to speak. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11543306)

Yep, 100% agree.

There is nothing more a Guardian reading type hates more than a working class person though.

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11542798)

I am so happy that Hanah has come out fighting for her team and I am glad that the lads have her there. She can stand up to the bullshit of Ali as a woman that they can't.

If a man is seen arguing with a woman he can too easily been seen as being aggressive or bullying, especially when the inevitable waterworks start. But Hanah can take the fight right to her and she 100% has the strength of character to do so.

Where Ali seems to have a strong streak of misandry running through her, Hanah has a strong empathy with her boys.

Where Ali relies on grooming Lily and artificial alliances (Dean) to get her through, Hanah has actual friends in there. She hasn't got a team because it is tactically sound to do so, she just has people who like each other.

I have always said that Hanah has shown glimpses of being a great HM but has never had her 'moment' where it all solidified, but I think last night could have been it.

It's a shame that already some views are interpreting her strong principled stand as 'angry aggression', but some can only see a black woman with a voice as that so it's to be expected.

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11542992)

'Fakeness' is just something that Ali uses to negative image others. It's fine when she does it (in her own mind, that is).

Just like performative niceness is only a problem when she can try and use it to harm others, while she does it constantly.

Ali does not live by the standards that she so loudly judges others by.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11543044)

…I know this is going a bit off topic from Ali but I love these moments with Hannah and Lily and Hannah couching Lily in her ‘boot camp’….Lily is just so responsive to Hannah, it’s quite a joy to see…while many of the other HM’s have pandered to Lily and maybe even ‘baby’d’ her…Hannah is just…’now look here, missy…these are the rules and you better shape up…’…not in a confrontational way, though…firm but fair and caring…?…

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 11543290)

They all slag each other off behind each others backs. This is not exclusive to Hannah. Ali is guilty of slagging Dean off behind his back, and many others like Lily for example.

It's literally the bread and butter of Big Brother as a whole. They all talk about each other. It's more to do with being caught out and owning it, which Hannah did. Ali however, denies any wrong doing, and is a lot more snidey with it.

Originally Posted by Garfie (Post 11543439)

I really like and admire Hanah. She seems intelligent, educated and well-informed, as well as being loyal and willing to stand up for her principles. To me, she came across as strong, passionate and principled, and even if some of her response to BB was a little rude, the shock value created its own humour. Hanah is probably my favourite of the girls.

You make a lot of great points in your post, but I kind of wish you’d left out your last sentence as it reads as if there might be some subtle accusations being implied, which might well be unfair to members who could have valid reasons for disagreeing with Hanah, and, as a consequence all those good point you made could be over-shadowed.

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11543940)

I purposefully used some for that reason, because I certainly don't think all. In all honesty, it was more of a comment regarding the FB and X fanbase rather than here. It's amazing how different the experience is on different platforms.

Some of the takes out there are wild, especially on FB which seems the worst. I do think that there are many in the BB viewer base that think this way.

But, for sure, I am always ready to accept that some have fair and valid views on her, even if they aren't fans :)

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 11543290)

They all slag each other off behind each others backs. This is not exclusive to Hannah. Ali is guilty of slagging Dean off behind his back, and many others like Lily for example.

It's literally the bread and butter of Big Brother as a whole. They all talk about each other. It's more to do with being caught out and owning it, which Hannah did. Ali however, denies any wrong doing, and is a lot more snidey with it.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11544100)

Ali will never admit or own up to anything,as she is a professional victim.

Hanah stood her ground,and her feelings were valid .she had every right to say what she said,and she most definitely was used as a pawn ( I'm laughing at how Hanah kept saying pond though :joker:) , she knew what Ali & Dean were doing.

Notice how Ali doesn't confront Hanah,I knew she'd run away. Ali knows she'll lose against Hanah in argument.