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ron you kln ow i agree with what you are saying biut you wont get many listeners if you keep patyronising people.:sad:

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Well seeing as I don't and wont be using insults of racial or sexual orientation then there's nothing I wish to say that's going to land me in trouble.'For the moment'.


My wording on that wasn't the best.I meant other political parties too.

Even if they 'slowly' implemented these laws, there is still going to be people around from our generation 20 years from now who aren't going to be in favour of allowing all insults to be stamped out, no matter how hard the government tries to brainwash us into thinking that it's not right to do so.

20 years from now the country probably will be in an even worse state with seemingly more chavs breeding, who only have expletives in their vocabulary.I'm sure many of them are homophobic and racist already.There's only going to be more of them in the future with the alarming rate they breed at,they'll be great granddads at the age of 45.

There wont be enough prisons to fit all these people, can you see these unruly types of people really falling into line? None of them end up paying fines these days so will they even bother in the future? There would be anarchy.

Stop with the patronising attitude Ron, it does you no favours.I'm sure you would get half the country trying to emigrate if such rules were put into place.

I wouldn't have said it if you hadn't of already been patronising towards others and banged on about freedom of speech so much.

I'm surprised you even cared to mention it.

I know what you mean, Ron, about free speech and all that, but I, being a Christian myself, believe that even though you should be allowed to have free speech, you shouldnt say things that would insult or hurt someone. Why would you want to say offensive things? I know that not everyone is a Christian, but just because you should be allowed to say it, it doesnt make it acceptable.

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I think it is rediculous people of Britian need to make a stand! I say exactly how i feel and if someone takes offense then that is there problem not mine

This whole freedom of speech is just a joke things that we have been saying for years are now being said to be offensive, nursery rhyhms are deemed to be racial. Its terrible what the government has done at the end of the day if people get offened by someone asking if they would like a black coffee or singing baa baa black sheep they are very foolish they are the ones comparing themselfs to these objects not us!

Obviously somethings need to be clamped down on, the wrong things are being changed!

I think the honest people of this world are being treated like shite yet if your dishonest you seem to get everything you need!

I cannot believe that britain was once one of the most powerfull countries in the world! Now look at us.........:devil:

there a pretty good film called v for vendenta that os about what ron is talking about for p[eol,le cant be bothered reading. i likjed it anyway

I do see the point you're trying to make.I'm sure that there are enough of those who are labour party, who are full on members of the PC brigade and will wish to take things a step too far in regards of what we allowed to say.
Despite the probability of an attempt at descending into a full on PC country.I just cannot support complete freedom to use racist and homophobic insults, it may well lead to what you predicted but it's just something I cannot support.


To a certain extent I agree to you.The immigration issue has long been a key talking point amongst the public and despite so much being asked of the government to deal with it, we are still being fobbed off and the government don't have the first clue about how many people are here illegally.The trouble is the parties that do stand for a tougher stance on immigration are often far too extreme to gain any great popularity.

I think for the moment whilst it's just a certain restriction on speech there's not going to be this uprising.There's the option to vote for other parties out there for everyone.Do you feel that there is a viable option for you?

I'm sure you want for the government to have less of a hold over what you can do but that's not going to happen with the current people in charge.You can talk all you like about getting people to protest but it's fantasy to suggest such a thing will happen at the moment.

The prisons are already over-run as it is, they would need a huge amount more of them to cope with all those who would be punished in the future for "hate speech".Taxes would of course go up to achieve this.

The trouble is, those of us who actually are civilised people, who will work will have to carry the burden for the unemployed, of which I can see and even bigger number and those in prison.There would be a breaking point as it just wouldn't be viable to keep up with the burden put onto us.

There simply wont be enough prison's to cater for these people, they don't pay fines as they've not got the money to do so.It's all about the money and even with further taxation their wont be enough, people will just grow sick of it and go elsewhere because it wont be financially possible for them to survive.

I suppose we can discount that the chavs would even bother voting but they will be causing more trouble, not as political protesters.The same measures are in place to tackle nuisance's to society but that doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent to their actions.

Then it will come down to the certain amount of civilised people still around.

I completely agree with Ron about freedom of speech. In fact we should be able to say and do whatever we want (even on tv) so long as it does not infringe on other peoples liberty and rights. Can I just ask Ron, are you a Libertarian?

P.s. Everyone should listen to Free Talk Live (iTunes Link)

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Indeed, we shall have to agree to disagree on the freedom of the speech matter.Always good to have a bit of a debate on here though.I don't claim to be totally knowledgeable on politics but I do try and take an interest and will try and take part in debates as best I can and you can only learn from doing that.I take a bigger interest in sports and that takes up a bit of my time.

I've heard quite a lot about Ron Paul, on a couple other forums that I visit he seems quite a popular candidate.One policy of his that I'm really not sure of,that is withdrawing from NATO and the United Nations.

Could you see yourself going into politics? Whilst I don't always agree with your views, you seem pretty passionate.

I'll probably have trouble on who I'll vote for come the next election.There's certain policies from all the main parties that I'm really not in favour of but that comes with the territory.

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Well you might not get much support from women unless they thought about it enough to see the bigger picture- that feminism actually promotes a negative attitude towards women. By pushing for more rights than men, they in fact cause resentment.

Equal rights means equal rights- not more rights for women and feminists need to stop pushing laws that will serve only to oppress men and cause more resentment towards women. We also don’t need male politicians who don’t have the steal to stand up to the feminists and so allow themselves to be blackmailed into positions whereby they believe they will look bad if they don’t fall in line with everything the feminists want and the liberties they want to take away from men.

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I believe men and women should be treated equally. I don't even understand why so much emphasis is placed on gender? There are certain areas where it becomes tricky, such as pregnancy as this is obviously a clear difference between men and women but other cases where women are treated differently in areas where gender isn’t even an issue.

Crime for example and the fact that women statistically receive lighter sentences for the same crimes than men. In America a male is 20 times more likely to receive the death penalty for the same crime! Call that justice? And what about spousal abuse? Men being laughed at when the women they love attack them and they fear to retaliate because of the age old double standard that a man cannot hit a woman and if a woman hit’s a man he must have deserved it.

In an age were women are drinking almost as much as men and getting increasingly violent, I find double standards like this absolutely ridiculous. A man is not even able to defend himself it seems without being thrown to the dogs. This is particularly worrying when you see studies on domestic abuse that show women are much more likely to use a weapon when abusing a partner than men.

The double standard labelling is worrying too- I noticed, when women stand up for their ‘rights’ they are called ‘strong women’ but when men try to do the same they are called ‘weak’, ‘sexist’, ‘misogynist’, 'chauvinistic pigs' (what a lovely phrase) etc...

Funny… I just noticed, misogynist is perfectly acceptable on works word (don’t ask why I still use works!) but Misandrist, at least on the version I am using is not! Possibly because misandrist is a relatively new word to describe a woman who has a sexist attitude toward or is a hater of men. A sign of the times perhaps that words like this are starting to come into circulation?

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