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Red Moon 20-10-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by GiRTh
Did the professional songwriters write songs for Ben Mills? He was unique and quirky. Pro songwriters want BIG millions selling artists to write for. She will never be big enough for them. Thats why I keep asking if she can write her own material. If she can then she has a future. If she cant then I dont see much future for her.
If I was her and her management I would tell any big name professional song writer to bog off. It not what she needs for that voice. She would need a writer that is fresh and full of new idea's who is different.

After all what would be the point of having a different voice and then having a writer that is so commercial that they can only write music in a commercial popular style.

She is a young artist and she has time to build a career, her first album doesn't have to be an instant hit and go to number one. She has the time to develop her own fan base and home her own unique musical style.

GiRTh 20-10-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Red Moon
If I was her and her management I would tell any big name professional song writer to bog off. It not what she needs for that voice. She would need a writer that is fresh and full of new idea's who is different.

After all what would be the point of having a different voice and then having a writer that is so commercial that they can only write music in a commercial popular style.

She is a young artist and she has time to build a career, her first album doesn't have to be an instant hit and go to number one. She has the time to develop her own fan base and home her own unique musical style.
Do you think she's THAT good? Strange but I don't see it. I don't dislike her voice I just don't see that big a career for her. Why buy her records as opposed to Norah Jones when Jones writes her own songs or Eva Cassidy when Diana voice is no where near the calibre of Cassidy 's.

I think her career will pretty much go the same way as Ben Mills. She'll have her fans and she'll make records but I don't see too much commercial success for her.

NettoSuperstar! 20-10-2008 11:07 AM

yeh but Norah Jones is a twaddle merchant:tongue:

GiRTh 20-10-2008 11:10 AM

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yeh but Norah Jones is a twaddle merchant:tongue:
Are you referring to millions selling and multi award winning artist Norah Jones?

NettoSuperstar! 20-10-2008 11:10 AM

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yeh but Norah Jones is a twaddle merchant:tongue:
Are you referring to millions selling and multi award winning artist Norah Jones?
yah:whistle:

GiRTh 20-10-2008 11:13 AM

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yeh but Norah Jones is a twaddle merchant:tongue:
Are you referring to millions selling and multi award winning artist Norah Jones?
yah:whistle:
OK I just wanted to know. You are aware that Diana hasn't sold any albums or won anything right?

NettoSuperstar! 20-10-2008 11:20 AM

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yeh but Norah Jones is a twaddle merchant:tongue:
Are you referring to millions selling and multi award winning artist Norah Jones?
yah:whistle:
OK I just wanted to know. You are aware that Diana hasn't sold any albums or won anything right?
yet! cmon Girth relax. I respect your opinion ok...shes not going to be to everyones taste

GiRTh 20-10-2008 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
yeh but Norah Jones is a twaddle merchant:tongue:
Are you referring to millions selling and multi award winning artist Norah Jones?
yah:whistle:
OK I just wanted to know. You are aware that Diana hasn't sold any albums or won anything right?
yet! cmon Girth relax. I respect your opinion ok...
I respect yours too.:thumbs:

Wildcat! 20-10-2008 11:30 AM

For the record Girth, I didnt say she is as good as Norah Jones. I used her as an example, because some ill advised people here, seem to think she is some novelty unique style of performer. But like I said, as soon as I saw her sing, I knew she was a copycat of styles way before her!
But now thats established, the new claim is that she is unique in xfactor terms.
And the whole seductive thing, most people who sing in live talent shows know how to do just that. Go watch Katherine Mcphee on American Idol, that was her whole thing!

I agree with you that she would have to be a songwriter to succeed beyond just a one hit wonder! She is decent, but she can probably win xfactor.

GiRTh 20-10-2008 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha Go watch Katherine Mcphee on American Idol, that was her whole thing!
I agree about Katherine McPhee but she was stunning and a great singer. She should have won not that Ray Charles Wannabe Taylor Hicks.

Red Moon 20-10-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by GiRTh
Do you think she's THAT good? Strange but I don't see it. I don't dislike her voice I just don't see that big a career for her. Why buy her records as opposed to Norah Jones when Jones writes her own songs or Eva Cassidy when Diana voice is no where near the calibre of Cassidy 's.

I think her career will pretty much go the same way as Ben Mills. She'll have her fans and she'll make records but I don't see too much commercial success for her.
Norah Jones is 29 and was a lounge singer when she started, it wasn't until she was 23 that she released her first album. In that respect Diana has a head start on her and has more time to develop. I think it must be remembered that when you compare them you have to be aware that Norah has had six years to develop and mature as a singer and as a performer.

I think she has the potential to be very good, especially given her age, but because of her style she will never be really really big, but she will do better than Ben Mills.

There is one good reason to buy Diana's albums as well as Norah Jones and Eva Cassidy, she is British.

But this could all be academic because we don't know if Diana can or can not write her own stuff yet.

microscope 20-10-2008 11:57 AM

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"have you seen how popular she is around the net? on Youtube more people have watch her singing then other of the others."
I haven't trawled the net nor Youtube.com to draw my conclusions. I just know what the X-Factor judges are looking for and it's not Diana. Please don't get fooled by the volumes of people who watch Diana sing on Youtube.com. That means nothing. Except people may enjoy a particular song she's sung, which is understandable.
Simon said before this show started he wanted something original and fresh, Diana is, by x factor standards original and fresh.
Diana is a fair singer, "Don't get me wrong", I won't deny that. But she has a lot of competition this year and I don't feel that her voice is good enough to tackle some of the songs which she will have to face in the upcoming weeks. Sooner or later I expect her to be heavily criticised by the judges and that could mean the end for Diana.

I know what Simon said. He says the same thing everytime. He's looking for someone who has that X-Factor. If Diana lacked that ingredient, she would never had made the final 12.

robb 20-10-2008 12:00 PM

Nora Jones, the Cranberries singer, dolores,early alanis morrisette, I've even heard some people say dido(?) and adele.............any more? Btw, I know she's popular as one of Cheryl's Angels, who seem preordained to win, but Princess diana IS no angel either...................see previous posts about her page 3 type pics on websites, and her nite clubbing/drinking till all hours. Nothing wrong with this...............except she IS supposed to be dreamy,floaty, different?? HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS............she was better this week than last, no doubt about that.

robb 20-10-2008 12:04 PM

The Simon and Cheryl Show (see The Sun) won't let anything or anyone get in the way of one of their charges winning.................witnesss Cowell's crazy decision to put Ruth up for the public vote AFTER Purple Rain. No Way WILL HE START TO HAVE A GO at diana or laura.................he'll have a dig at alex 'cos she's not 'different' enough, to make it look good. Don't fall for the hype!!

microscope 20-10-2008 12:05 PM

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"you "know" wat the judges want do you?"
I have watched every X-Factor and I see a very convincing pattern. I doubt very much that Diana comes anywhere close to that pattern. I do not disagree that she has an almost unique voice, but we may see her mess up next Saturday's song and that could change everything.

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"Simon said she was the one to beat and all the judges love her sooooooo your point?...oh not to mention the public vote"
How many times have you seen Simon praise someone then 7 days later, he changes his mind?
Id like to know what your convincing pattern is but I suspect its just actually your opinion!
Well Ive also watched every X factor and dont see anything changing soon! but sorry your the all "knowing" one:rolleyes:
I'm not the all "knowing", I am simply pointing out to you that there seems to be a pattern in the way the show pans out. I watch this show every year and I try to pick the singer or group who I think shall win and the one I personally would like to win. So far I have faired very well.

Wildcat! 20-10-2008 12:08 PM

The judges arent gonna criticize diana trust me! They shouldve this week, because she yoddled throughout the song, and being seductive singing MAn in the mirror, was totally inapropriate. But the fact is, Simon sees the bottom line. After week one, he realised Diana is probably the most popular contestant. SO he will push her all the way to the end. Simon doesnt care if his act wins, thats just panto stuff. Whoever wins is gonna mak ehim money! He cares that the winner will sell records. So until someone seem more popular, he will back Diana, just like he switched from David Archuleta to David cook, when he realised the latter was more popular.

GiRTh 20-10-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Red Moon

Norah Jones is 29 and was a lounge singer when she started, it wasn't until she was 23 that she released her first album. In that respect Diana has a head start on her and has more time to develop. I think it must be remembered that when you compare them you have to be aware that Norah has had six years to develop and mature as a singer and as a performer.

I think she has the potential to be very good, especially given her age, but because of her style she will never be really really big, but she will do better than Ben Mills.

There is one good reason to buy Diana's albums as well as Norah Jones and Eva Cassidy, she is British.

But this could all be academic because we don't know if Diana can or can not write her own stuff yet.
Being Ravi Shankars daughter has also helped Norah Jones career.

I assumed Diana couldn't write her own songs because we're yet to see her with an instrument or even mention that she can play an instrument. I think we're going to find that she can't write songs which is why I don’t see much future for her. She'll have her loyal fans but I think she'll end up like Sinead Quinn or Alex Park

Red Moon 20-10-2008 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
For the record Girth, I didnt say she is as good as Norah Jones. I used her as an example, because some ill advised people here, seem to think she is some novelty unique style of performer. But like I said, as soon as I saw her sing, I knew she was a copycat of styles way before her!

But now thats established, the new claim is that she is unique in xfactor terms.
And the whole seductive thing, most people who sing in live talent shows know how to do just that. Go watch Katherine Mcphee on American Idol, that was her whole thing!

I agree with you that she would have to be a songwriter to succeed beyond just a one hit wonder! She is decent, but she can probably win xfactor.
You are never going to get a unique style of performer, it's just not going to happen.

Of course she is a copy cat singer, what young teenage girl doesn't copy the styles of singers they like as they develop their voice by singing along to the tracks of their favorite CD's. The only way to make a artist truly unique would to have them grow with out any form of musical influences from birth and that not going to happen. So what you get evaluation of styles and Diana could just be another part of the evolutionary cycle. After all what artist doesn't say they are influenced by tis singer or band?

As for seductive thing, it's not something she has developed, it is natural to her and it is combined with great vulnerability. It's makes her captivating to watch.

microscope 20-10-2008 12:21 PM

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"The judges arent going to criticize diana trust me!"
You maybe right but I think if she is given a song which doesn't fit her voice, then she is likely to be criticised. Maybe not as harsh.

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"Simon doesnt care if his act wins, thats just panto stuff. "
He does make money whoever wins, but he is a proud man and quite modest with it and I know he would love to be the triumphant judge in the end. I think if he was unhappy with his own acts, then he may favour someone else. But if he felt that one or more of his acts had a REAL fighting chance, then he would back them to the hilt!

Red Moon 20-10-2008 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by GiRTh
I assumed she couldn't write her own songs because we're yet to see her with an instrument or even mention that she can play an instrument. I think we're going to find that she can't write songs which is why I don’t see much future for her. She'll have her loyal fans but I think she'll end up like Sinead Quinn
At the moment we don't know that because, unlike American Idol, the contestants are not allowed to play instruments on the show. And if she can't play some instrument now she could learn. After all she already musical and it wouldn't take her long to learn enough to start writing melodies to which other could develop arrangements for her.

GiRTh 20-10-2008 12:27 PM

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At the moment we don't know that because, unlike American Idol, the contestants are not allowed to play instruments on the show. And if she can't play some instrument now she could learn. After all she already musical and it wouldn't take her long to learn enough to start writing melodies to which other could develop arrangements for her.
Do you think playing an instrument and writing songs is as easy as that? I can play the guitar but I can't write songs for sh*t. And there are many like me. Diana may be the same. I don't think saying she can learn is going to make her into a good enough songwriter to make a career out of it.

Also, all through the auditions there was not mention of her being able to play an instrument. I'd have thought she'd have mentioned it at some point because she did feature quite heavily in the audition shows.

Wildcat! 20-10-2008 12:30 PM

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I assumed she couldn't write her own songs because we're yet to see her with an instrument or even mention that she can play an instrument. I think we're going to find that she can't write songs which is why I don’t see much future for her. She'll have her loyal fans but I think she'll end up like Sinead Quinn
At the moment we don't know that because, unlike American Idol, the contestants are not allowed to play instruments on the show. And if she can't play some instrument now she could learn. After all she already musical and it wouldn't take her long to learn enough to start writing melodies to which other could develop arrangements for her.
thats not true! Why was Ben Mills playing instruments?
And Journey South, even the Mcdonald brothers?
I am afraid you got that wrong! American Idol wasnt allowed until a year ago, but Xfactor is!

And I am pretty certain she dont, if she did, it would be mentioned! It alaways is!

Red Moon 20-10-2008 12:42 PM

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"The judges arent going to criticize diana trust me!"
You maybe right but I think if she is given a song which doesn't fit her voice, then she is likely to be criticised. Maybe not as harsh.

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"Simon doesnt care if his act wins, thats just panto stuff. "
He does make money whoever wins, but he is a proud man and quite modest with it and I know he would love to be the triumphant judge in the end. I think if he was unhappy with his own acts, then he may favour someone else. But if he felt that one or more of his acts had a REAL fighting chance, then he would back them to the hilt!
I have to agree with Aint_mad_atcha, Diana will be attacked again by Cowell for being different and not pop star potential. Cowell really wants to win this year and he will do it my any means fair but mainly foul.

microscope 20-10-2008 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Red Moon
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Originally posted by microscope
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"The judges arent going to criticize diana trust me!"
You maybe right but I think if she is given a song which doesn't fit her voice, then she is likely to be criticised. Maybe not as harsh.

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"Simon doesnt care if his act wins, thats just panto stuff. "
He does make money whoever wins, but he is a proud man and quite modest with it and I know he would love to be the triumphant judge in the end. I think if he was unhappy with his own acts, then he may favour someone else. But if he felt that one or more of his acts had a REAL fighting chance, then he would back them to the hilt!
I have to agree with Aint_mad_atcha, Diana will be attacked again by Cowell for being different and not pop star potential. Cowell really wants to win this year and he will do it my any means fair but mainly foul.
You mean you disagree with Aint_mad_atcha.

Wildcat! 20-10-2008 12:50 PM

LOL! I was confused as well!:laugh:


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