Little bit tired so this will be pretty short...my understanding of the crusades is the christians were causing a bit of mischief and sanctioned military campaigns to regain control of the holy land.....
I'm not saying religion is the cause of all war, just it has been responsible or played a part in a few.
I'm not out to launch an attack on all religions by any means, i can see the possitive influence that religion can have on some people's lives...as well as the negative....

My take on it - if it makes people happy and doesn't have a negative impact on someone else....then sweet as!

yeah but if you don't have a belief in 'god' then whatever path you go down, you have chosen for yourself

if you believe that it is written you should go down said path, then it's kinda giving the excuse that it's not the person's fault and that it's their duty, making them infallible

I am knackerd too, thank god the housemates are going to bed cos I am staying awake for this rare occassion of them having a late one.

Yes, as happens all the time, but the point is no one preaches a non belief in God, and promotes harmful ideologies, in the name of No God.

My point though is, If we all accepted that humanity is as high, and big as it gets here on planet earth, it would be that bit harder to diminish a humans right to do anything, as long as it did not infringe on another humans rights.

As it is Religion allows us to hate based on something higher.
There will always be hate i guess, but it just won't be sanctioned, underneath pages and pages of interpreted texts that may or may not of been written from words someone we think said.

i can't really think straight i'm so tired

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Valid point kisy only if you use religious dogma to validate following a life path, preordination is not tied solely to religious beliefs it exists in non religious outlooks as well,

Hmmmm, the promotes harmful ideologies in the name of no god bit....i'm a bit confused...but it is 4:30 am

There's several examples of harmful ideolgies being preached from a non religious perspective.......although i could have completely misinterpreted what you were getting at :wink:

oh yeah

although many people aren't raised religiously, they still have some sort of belief system that can influence their decision making

so i see your point that it' not just a belief in religion that can lead you down certain paths

Night all enjoyed, the convo:xyxwave:

Yep but its not the religion that has caused it, simply the people usurping the religion that have corrupted the beliefs to be used in hate filled ways.

Some of the greater hate filled excesses of the last couple of centuries have been perpetrated on adherents of religions as opposed to being caused by adherents of any particualr religions.

very valid point and i do agree with them. religion is based on faith and i would prefer to have faith in people than someone/thing that can't be proven.

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i'm also hitting the hay. my head hurts :sleep::sleep::sleep:

tops your what gives islam a bad name,who says your defination of the quran is correct,and as for passing judgement on people who made you god or allah or whoeva.

Another excellent point :thumbs:

i think its a good job i was not on last night,i dont think i could say calm after seeing half the post from tops..

but anyhoo this thread is not about him...

i have to say clockers its refreshing to see a muslim with an open mind on this forum,i find it soo annoying how most muslim girls get pure hatred from the likes of tops and others in the asian community..

it is true she is muslim,and her insistance to pray five times a day is a credit to her..but im so bored of people like tops who think so low of her,simply because she dresses a certain way and is absolutely stunning (imo)... if she doesnt go this week then it would be interesting to see how she handles ramadhan when it comes about next month.. but brother do me a favour,dont listen to the likes of tops or anyone..you are a good muslim..

i care not whether you drink or smoke,but you stay open minded..much is to be said for that but im not here to arse lick a fellow brother.. just wish there were more broadminded people around like yourself..

Ive seen you call gay people fags
call girls sluts
nearly every post you make has appalling filthy language in it.
if you are a muslim you're a rubbish representative.

im guessing that is not reffering to me?because im quite the gentlemen (usually)

oh and as a side note cursing does not make you a bad representative to a any religion...i see catholics curse,i see jews curse...nothing wrong with some profanity i suppose...

I don't think you said enough mate, I also call eveyone ****ts, have called lezzas carpet munchers and more profanities than you can shake a stick at.

I say it to be funny and shocking but with no intent to be aggressive or mean like topspin.

I am far from homophobic, but I will take the piss out of gays and straights and blacks and whites and brown and yellow and christians and muslims, and hindus and sikhs and budhist and catholics and right wings and left wings.

Only people you not heard me take the piss out of are pikeys, cos I *****ing hate pikeys beyond belief.:thumbs:

What are pikeys?

lol pikeys is what some use when reffering to lower class irish people.. (chavs i suppose)

Gypsy ****ts who live to ***** over other people, teach their kids about violence and consider them adults at 14. They are immoral and inbreed, cos a none pikey has to be nuts to join a bunch of caravan living sister *****ers with no purpose in life but to be antisocial.

Hate the ****ts with a passion, had a few run ins with pikeys.

Oh ok, thanks.

The Boondocks?