stop hating women look at the mirror 24/7 ,men look at the mirror for there body so it basically the same.

Yes spot on Ras.

And lol his arms are apparently 22 and a half inches atm.

My leg at the top is 23 and a half.

They are some big ol' arms lol!

Hahahaha, you must be ****ing kidding. You ever even hit the gym buddy? He is big but no-where near extreme. Extreme is when you are a 6ft 300lbs with 2% bodyfat.

You come across as an Edited.. If he Bodybuilds he is vain, eh? Good logic there.

This one is such a gem. You should frame it and hang it on your wall, then read it everyday to remind yourself how Edited. you just made yourself look. How can a healthy lifestyle be unhealthy and damaging?

Come on guys, he looks good, you are blatently jealous x

Yeh it is obsessional but whats wrong with that.

Like i know so many people insluding myself... once they started weight training couldnt stop..

If you are going to edit my posts could you replace the edited bits with some more acceptable insults? I give you as much creative freedom as you want.

You know it continually amazes me the kind of vitriolic response one gets on these forums when you go against the perceived wisdom of the collective group. My argument in this matter certainly has some validity and I hold to it, but I have nothing against anyone who speaks against me on the matter with calmness and clarity. Thanks for that 30stone: I may not agree with all you say but I have no problem with you saying it.... you have ur ideas on the matter, I have mine.

As for a few others on here, I'm actually glad I stepped out for awhile cuz it's plainly obvious to me that you fellas need to relax a little and not show such aggression and hatred towards other members who don't agree with you. It shows a lack of maturity and civility. Nobody will ever agree totally with anyone else, but in your reactions you reveal so much of who you are, and how tolerant and accepting you are of others.

As for Hellshark, usually I wouldn't even bother responding to you but I will on this occassion because I think you may be a little dimwitted and need this to be spelled out to you. Firstly, it's quite obvious you haven't read any of this thread and are just intent on making yourself look like a reactionary fool by deliberately dismantling somebody elses comments and using them in your own unique and infantile fashion. It's actually surprising how much animosity you can show to somebody you don't even know. The funniest thing about it is you probably wont even read this.

Oh, and to clarify one matter cuz it's bugging me- I train and exercise at least five times a week; more now because I'm training for Dublin Marathon. I know the value of exercise but I also know of the dangers of excess in one area of training. Being an athlete is all about balance.... to weigh yourself down with that much body mass is debilitating for you in other areas of health and fitness.

Isn't life strange!

It amases me how some people can be so vile about others who they do not know, and make judgement about their lifestyle when they can't even begin to comprehend it!!

You are fit and take pride in your body and diet and you're accused of taking drugs! Yes, it takes dedication and willpower, but it's hardly an obsession!

I'd rather see a fit bloke, eating well, in the gym, running etc rather than some of the alternatives in life these days!

Perhaps you'd rather see flabby unhealthy pi55 heads instead?? I wonder if some of you could do with taking a lesson or two in health and fitness not to mention manners??

Cue... 30stone somewhere in this argument LOL

ah i don't mind an argument, it's just the reaction that you get in here sometimes when you're just trying to put your point across. it goes mental... they don't want to hear it lol

So Tom is vain and disgusting because he is muscular, but Marcus is fine for spending all his time on weights, failing, and claiming he IS muscular?

My main argument was that Tom has overdone it on the bodybuilding side of things and it could have damaging effects on his health later on in life. I suggested that it may be a vanity thing or just obsessional behaviour but I never compared him to anyone else or remarked on his personality. My main contention was that building your muscles to that size isn't good for your heart or body in the long run.

I was talking to the OP...not you. :laugh2:

Forgive me; I thought you were being you usual snidey self.

A lot of gym bunnies on here defending that twat Tom.

Yes, men who hang around in gyms admiring other bloke's 'ripped' bodies are really straight, hetero types. Aye, right. Chase me , Chase me.

He may have muscles but he seems to have a crap "personality", if you can even call it that!

I admire his dedication to training and think his got a brilliant body. As someone that works out I know its not always about been vain but it can also build self confidence. Tom has an awesome body and seems like an ok bloke.

Hahaha, I did read the whole thread, let's take a look at your idiotic comments.

this fella just looks like he'll fall over from a massive heart attack in his 50's

that kinda body is only achieved through hours and hours in gym each day plus the odd dose of steroids- think he's an addict

bodybuilders become addicted to it. i think it's an obsessive thing for him.

he's a heart attack waiting to happen when he gets a bit older.

Just reading over this **** is embarrassing and this is just from the first page. I am starting to wonder if I've picked an argument with someone who is genuinely retarded.

ROFLMAO! Thanks for that laugh Roller. :flowers:

you're highlighting exactly what i said. you're just intent on attacking someone over what they have said, rather than coming up with your own theories or thoughts on the matter. is that your thing? to try and attempt to make others look foolish? very sad

and yes, i do believe that building yourself up to that degree is bordering on obsessive and can lead to serious problems later on in life. that's my opinion. i'm entitled to one as much as you are.

well said!!

i don't think it's fair to say that he's been on steroids. i've got 2 guy pals that are bloody huge and they never touch the stuff. it goes against the whole heathly lifestyle. he just likes to take care of his body and stay healthy. he's obviously proud of what he's got too and so he should. noone minds when the girls are swanning about in bikinis.

I am highlighting what you said to point out just how ignorant you are.

If it's so widely accepted that bodybuilders suffer from heart attacks then post some evidence. I can't wait to see what you dig up.

You accuse him of being a steroid addict, vain and unhealthy. Now you try to hide behind some veil of maturity and pass it off as 'It's only my opinion!!!'

Your opinion is judgemental and the bullshit you are spouting about health problems is unfounded nonsense.

i mentioned only the once that he might be on steroids... just once. and you take everything i say totally out of context. you're a very reactionary individual who just doesn't accept anyone elses views that are contradictory to your own.

i'm merely suggesting that to build yourself up that much is bad for ur body in the long run. i believe that. you just have to type in bodybuilder heart attack and you'll find many examples of guys who keel over from it. these guys become more and more obsessive about their bodies.... it leads to abuse. and also on a purely physical level, it eventually puts an awful strain on ur body carrying that kinda weight around.

you can't just attack someone for having their own opinions regarding something. it's silly and infantile.

but you have remarked on his personality by saying he is vain and obsessional :puzzled:

i don't hink you need to worry about his physical state just yet. the size he is just now is no cause for alarm

i said that it might be a vanity thing, but it is definitely a bit obsessional. he's fine right now becuz he's in his prime.... wait until he gets on a bit. that's when the trouble begins.